I do not like MCU films
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So, why doesn't anyone say so in the movies and the show? And SHIELD was the only intelligence agency that was infiltrated? I really find that hard to believe.
Probably because of "who cares".
Not a lot of excitement or drama reading a list of names and where they've infiltrated.
Not every single thing has to be explained in detail. We get the impression from the movies and shows that HYDRA was pretty widespread though various agencies, governments and people in power by showing it to us.
There's a thing in movies called "show don't tell". Most audiences are smart enough to figure this out.
There's a thing in movies called "show don't tell". Most audiences are smart enough to figure this out.
Who said anything about them running off a list of HYDRA agents that might be across the country or all over the world? All I'm asking is that why haven't any of the movies and "Agents of SHIELD" simply indicate that HYDRA had infiltrated more than just SHIELD and recruited one U.S. Senator and two WSC members? They could have done so with a few words.
And by the way, what were the German police doing in Bucharest, where Bucky lived during the first 45 minutes of "Captain America: Civil War"? How did his apartment shifted from Bucharest to Berlin?
It wasn't the police, they were special forces operatives. Probably a counter-terrorism unit. Since both Germany and Hungary Romania (I was thinking of Budapest) are EU and NATO members (and presumably Sokovia Accords signatories), it's not unrealistic at all for German special forces to be deployed there to apprehend Bucky. US Delta Force and Navy SEALs get deployed into areas of allied jurisdiction for similar purposes.
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Maybe it was a costuming mistake?
Must have been, because the dialogue explicitly said "German special forces."
Then again, Germany's elite counter-terrorism unit, GSG 9, is actually a part of Germany's federal police, not its military. So maybe not an error at all.
Where's the middle ground between the MCU Falcon, Hawkeye, and Wanda and their best known comic costumes? Further, MCU Quicksilver looked like he was in a breathable tracksuit--far different than his best known comic look.
The comic version is a pure, slick bodysuit--at least as it first appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #86, and not the "agent" type of jumper / uniform seen in films in recent history..
It makes no sense; HYDRA did not infiltrate SHIELD, the WSC or flip a senator overnight--this was happening for a very long time, so their reach should be greater within the U.S. national security agencies, and not as quickly defeated / exposed. Even at the level seen on film, the effects would be long lasting, and not (as noted time and again) be wiped away in favor of some superhero handcuffing attempted in CW. It should have been a MCU game changer, instead of the accords, which lost its teeth in less than half of the film's running time. With Infinity coming, I doubt accords will stop all of the heroes from magically reuniting when it counts.
I never said that. I never said how it took HYDRA to infiltrate SHIELD, the WSC or recruit one American politician. What made you think that I had indicated any time period?
Why would the GSG 9 operate in Bucharest, over a terrorist attack that happened in Vienna, Austria?
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I was talking in general. For example, Zola was a balance (he put his mind in a machine, but an actual type of computer instead of a robot). Captain America wears his standard colors, but on a more combat-useful suit. Even Falcon's winged jetpack takes a very comic book-y idea and redesigns it to look more realistic but without loosing the original intent. There are total exceptions, to be sure (and for what it's worth, Wanda Maximoff's look is one I've seen in the franchise before).
Is it possible that the comics used a simplified art style?
Which is why Fury noted at the end of Winter Soldier that there were still some rats that didn't go down and he'd be seeing to it personally. In the stinger, Baron von Strucker leads a HYDRA cell, albeit one he's running with his own agenda). He also mentions that there are other HYDRA bases and he plans to sacrifice them to the Avengers and others to cover his tracks (for all the good that does him, come Age of Ultron). Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. dove head-first into the fight against HYDRA post-Winter Soldier. Marvel didn't forget that they wouldn't go down in one punch, and the MCU has very effectively showed that.
There were long lasting effects. In Ant-Man, a HYDRA branch wants to buy the Yellowjacket technology (and even steals a sample of the Pym particles, getting away with it). Zemo uses the S.H.I.E.L.D./HYDRA database Black Widow leaked online to get the info he needed for his revenge plan. The other Winter Soliders were still on ice and could've been used by anyone (had Zemo decided not to kill them).
It was the big game changer and still is. Why were the accords made? Because the Avengers were running their show without answering to anyone. Why? Because S.H.I.E.L.D., the organization who created the Avengers, was keeping the Index, and making sure that gifted people who were threats and keeping other checks in place, fell. With Coulson's S.H.I.E.L.D. not in a position to do that, everyone else needed to step up and find a way fill in the vacuum.
So, no, I don't think so. The Accords may have broken the Avengers, but Winter Soldier reshaped the MUC. Every other game changer not connected to outer space is a a piece of that film's twist and the repercussions.
I already answered that. You keep trying to insinuate there's some kind of error here where there isn't one. This is probably the strangest hang-up about this particular movie that I've seen from anyone.
If only people who watch these movies could be nice and respectful to each other like the people who make these movies
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Considering what I have read about the GSG 9, your answer is not enough. I'm simply going to chalk it up to a blooper on the writer's part.
Nick Fury created the Avengers. And since he did so without the World Security Council's blessings, I doubt very much that they would fall under the control of S.H.I.E.L.D., despite him being director. In fact, I doubt very much that he or the agency could have controlled the Avengers.
It's interesting that neither Tony or Natasha had bothered to bring up the Hulk v. Abomination fight in Harlem or that Ross (backed by the U.S. government) was partially responsible.
Actually Ross was 100 percent responsible for Harlem since he was the one who gave that super soldier serum to blonsky in the first place. It was also ridiculous for him to lecture the avengers about "answering for lost equipment" since he never had to answer for any of his mistakes in the past.
The whole blaming the avengers was preposterous to begin with. It's like blaming the fire department for people that died in the fire instead of the crazed arsonist that set the blaze.
He didn't? I thought the Avengers Initiative was an actual S.H.I.E.L.D. project. The WSC, unlike Fury, didn't believe in it that much and did cancel it in favor of using the Tesseract and leftover HYDRA tech, but I got the impression that Fury was allowed to reactivate the Avengers Initiative when Loki came and the HYDRA weapons program wasn't ready.
Yeah, I'm not if there was a story reason, or if the MCU is trying to quietly retcon The Incredible Hulk as non-canon or something.
Indeed it was a ridiculous argument