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I do not like MCU films

It's amazing that a good number of people seem incapable of appreciating both the DC Comics and Marvel material at the same time, without determining which is better than the other.

It's a little open to interpretation and that's also why I think the knightmare scene is great. It works as showing Batman's fear of a world with Superman out of control and also as set up for some other story if they want, but it leaves it up to the viewer to think about.

That was Batman seeing a possible future via the future Flash. The flying creatures serving Superman in the background are minions of Darkseid.
 
It's very human.

Plus, it's not just between the companies, but we do it within. "Who's your favourite Batman/Superman/Spider-Man/Hulk" is always a topic of debate, or conparing Burton to Schumacher, comparing movies is what every single person I've ever known does, and they aren't about the rivalry between companies necessarily.
 
It's amazing that a good number of people seem incapable of appreciating both the DC Comics and Marvel material at the same time, without determining which is better than the other.
When two things like this are presented in such different manners it's not surprising some people are going to like one better than the other. A lot of people like certain styles and tones better than others, I like the lighter and more fun tone that Marvel as taken. Now this isn't anything specific to Marvel and DC though, I just overall like lighter and more fun stuff over darker and more serious stuff. There have been a lot of darker and more serious movies and shows I've liked, like the RDM Battlestar Galactica, but when it comes down to it I still prefer lighter stuff.
 
I actually like both. I liked Nolan's movies more than MCU movies, and I like MCU movies more than the first 3 DC movies...
 
I actually like both. I liked Nolan's movies more than MCU movies, and I like MCU movies more than the first 3 DC movies...

Exactly, it's not always a blind Marvel vs DC thing. I personally love Arrow, Flash and (to a lesser extent) Legends, all three of which are DC. But I don't like a majority of their movies, having zero to do with a brand.
 
There are few films that I go and see in the theaters, and even fewer that I like. Time just is too short to be watching random films. The Marvel films are ones that I generally enjoy, as are the DC films. I can like and enjoy both just fine, but here's the thing-I'm less inclined to revisit DC films than I am Marvel films, and that includes Blade, and the like.

But, when it comes to debating it, I'll lean towards the one that leaves an impression on me.
 
Yes I can. Deal with it.

You can post anything--but that does not make it true.

Again...

1. It is a false statement.
2. Your repeated misrepresentation of the source material (Batman & Spider-Man comics) have demonstrated that you have not read much of either.


You're going into the personal attacks again, I suggest you calm down a bit.

Said the member repeatedly accusing others of being pretentious. Aw...you should be careful to avoid coming off like a hypocrite.


Do get over yourself, not every survivor of war is going to fit your preconceptions or what Oscar Bait war films tell you.

I only refer to real veterans--not the films or shabbily constructed fantasies you are using as an obvious substitute for real human experiences in your attempt to protect garbage films.

I've read enough to know that if Batman was more than an archetype, then there'd be more focus on how Bruce Wayne was more than just a plot device to explain Batman's resources.

So, yeah, you have not read many Batman comics at all.


The whole "the only good CBMs are the grounded ones!" attitude.

Sorry. That is not evidence. Back to square one.


You wouldn't be reacting this way if I were wrong.

Dodging again.

You made the claim. Prove it.


Some people just can't handle how exploitative Oscar Bait films are.

I know you're sad that most of the MCU is not worth more than the cheap toys they inspire on Wal-Mart shelves, but other films have a story to tell--purpose, as opposed to lazy scripts and 2-dimensional "acting" that would be at home in an episode of Filmation's He-Man and the Masters of the Universe.


Utter dung. And my own family members who were in warzones

^ This is no more believable now, than the other times you posted that fairy story.

So the WSC weren't mostly killed off in Winter Soldier, then? There were only two movies between Avengers and TWS, and there's no point in a Thor film dealing with insignificant stuff like that.

Hence the reason so many of the MCU films are merely episodic flights of cartoony, heartless noise. Barely a connective structure at all.


I know more than you, otherwise you'd have accepted Batman being little more than an archetype until about 30 years ago.

More than a few members have exposed your utter lack of knowledge about the character, so at this point, embarrassing yourself seems to be your only point in posting nonsense like that above.


So now you're just ignoring the continuing series like Trek or Dr Who. And showing a double standard.

It was an example.

(Maybe this is just becoming personal attacks...)

This is a discussion. If you feel this is turning into personal attacks, it would be wise for you to refrain from attacking others.
 
I do read Spider-Man stuff and think that Anwar's generally accurate as far as that's concerned.

No, he's not. The character as he's described it is a gross mischaracterization, a problem he's been called out on repeatedly by others, whether talking about Spider-Man, Batman, or any other character..

I actually agree that the MCU doesn't have that many enemies, so I'm not entirely sure where Anwar is getting that opinion.

From nowhere. He's exhibiting hyper-defensive Marvel fan behavior not because of real, widespread (as he imagined) attacks, but he has convinced himself that all things Marvel are flawless, and even a casual opposing view is seen as some fantasized campaign of hate.

With characters that have changed drastically over the years, I'd be pretty careful about judging whether someone "knows" the character or not. Case in point, the Spider-Man I know and love is not the one that's been in use since 2007.

When one is making sweeping judgements about the entire history of a character--as he does in this thread, it is clear that agenda--not facts--drive his statements, which are divorced from any real knowledge about the characters. I've even named writers directly responsible for growth in Batman and other characters dating back more than a hall century, but there's no true reply, as it would require the guy to actually know about the writers and their work--the comics--to have a valid, evidence-based view of the matter.

That did not happen. It does not matter; he seems to prefer flame wars more than analysis, so where is this going?


I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the Garfield Spider-Man movies. I've seen a lot of arguments over which of the original two Spider-Man series were the best, and the Garfield ones have some very spirited support

Not enough to keep that franchise alive, or a hold on public demand. Additionally, Garfield's near ready-for-the-asylum version of Parker was not even a shadow of the comic's best interpretations of the character.

Also, by all accounts, both DC and Marvel have had their share of hits and flops over the years. The interesting question is why Marvel has had a string of hits, and DC is only experiencing marginal success now?

"Marginal?" That is a word reserved for films that barely earn above their production/marketing budget. The DC films are far above that.

Avengers got 91% on Rotten Tomatoes (pro critics) and 91% from viewers who shared their opinions. It's not the most scientific analysis, but it does argue that the movie is far more than a 1 dollar bin junk video.

No, it means that there is a part of the population that easily swallows whatever kiddie-type thing is slapped together and served. For example, the infamous "Boy Band" period in music produced highly successful acts/songs, but they were quickly derided and forgotten as they hold no creative or cultural value. Certain films suffer the same fate--sooner or later.
 
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You can post anything--but that does not make it true.
1. It is a false statement.

According to you and only you.

2. Your repeated misrepresentation of the source material (Batman & Spider-Man comics)

Batman never bothered making Bruce Wayne more than a plot device for decades, whereas Spider-Man was always more about Peter Parker than anyone else. That's a misrepresentation?

Said the member repeatedly accusing others of being pretentious.

The personal attacks started before that.

I only refer to real veterans

So am I, you just can't handle that.

So, yeah, you have not read many Batman comics at all.

Enough to know he wasn't even portrayed as much of a detective for years either. Or Bruce Wayne being anything more than a plot device to explain Batman's resources.

Sorry. That is not evidence. Back to square one.

It's plenty.

Dodging again.

You made the claim. Prove it.

I have, anytime anyone says the MCU is "Kiddie" it's an attack.

I know you're sad that most of the MCU is not worth more than the cheap toys they inspire on Wal-Mart shelves, but other films have a story to tell--purpose, as opposed to lazy scripts and 2-dimensional "acting" that would be at home in an episode of Filmation's He-Man and the Masters of the Universe.

Yes yes yes, we're all aware of your distaste for the fantastical and your love for the banal. Moving on...

^ This is no more believable now, than the other times you posted that fairy story.

You really just can't handle that not every war zone survivor is going to react differently, can you? It happens.

Hence the reason so many of the MCU films are merely episodic flights of cartoony, heartless noise. Barely a connective structure at all.

Mmm-hmm, and I suppose a Green Lantern film should entirely 100% focus on some drug-dealer on Earth. That's not how a Shared Universe works. They all co-exist and are having their own stories going on at the same time, it's not about one single story controlling absolutely everything and forcing everyone down one path.

It's also a welcome rejection of that silly "grounded" approach that nearly destroyed CBMs in the first place.

More than a few members have

Backed up my position.

It was an example

Your examples merely show your double-standards. You can take anything you use against the MCU and apply it to Dr Who and other long-runners.

This is a discussion.

Not really, you flipped out when you found out someone didn't love Batman (the only worthwhile DC film subject of the last 20 years or so) and didn't dislike the MCU and pointed out that Warzone survivors don't all act the way Oscar Bait Warzone survivors do. The "discussion" never really recovered from that.
 
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No, he's not. The character as he's described it is a gross mischaracterization, a problem he's been called out on repeatedly by others, whether talking about Spider-Man, Batman, or any other character..

Any specific examples of Spider-Man stories that fall under the model you're describing, since I can't think of any, making it really hard for me to write a useful response.

When one is making sweeping judgements about the entire history of a character--as he does in this thread, it is clear that agenda--not facts--drive his statements, which are divorced from any real knowledge about the characters. I've even named writers directly responsible for growth in Batman and other characters dating back more than a hall century, but there's no true reply, as it would require the guy to actually know about the writers and their work--the comics--to have a valid, evidence-based view of the matter.

Not enough to keep that franchise alive, or a hold on public demand. Additionally, Garfield's near ready-for-the-asylum version of Parker was not even a shadow of the comic's best interpretations of the character.

In all honesty, I agree with your assessment of Garfield's Parker and the movies, but I have read some arguments about how he's an accurate adaptation, so it clearly worked for some people.


"Marginal?" That is a word reserved for films that barely earn above their production/marketing budget. The DC films are far above that.

That may have been a poor choice of words. I meant in that Man of Steel had a mixed reception (to put it kindly), hardly anyone liked BvS, and I've gathered that Suicide Squad isn't getting good reviews. (This's all as I understand the situation).



No, it means that there is a part of the population that easily swallows whatever kiddie-type thing is slapped together and served. For example, the infamous "Boy Band" period in music produced highly successful acts/songs, but they were quickly derided and forgotten as they hold no creative or cultural value. Certain films suffer the same fate--sooner or later.

Well, how long do you think before we can say which of the MCU movies are going to last and which are not?
 
I read Spider-Man for years and it mostly focuses on Peter and how being Spider-Man impacts his personal life. I stopped after Brand New Day, so it's possible its changed. But for the most part it was about how Spider-Man may be able to save the city, but Peter Parker can't pay his bills because he's too busy fighting crime. His villains are pretty one note, except for maybe Green Goblin (depending on the writer). Most of them are bank robbers with a gimmick or just want to torture Spider-Man for various reasons. They're most visually interesting than interesting as characters. The best thing to ever happen to Doc Ock was Sam Raimi. Before that he was a scientist who got stuck to his robot arms and decided his best course of action was to rob banks. The movie made him a tragic figure, controlled by his arms overriding the good man he used to be. The only notable thing about Green Goblin is that he killed Gwen Stacy and just wants to ruin Peter's life because "comics". I also felt that Harry Osborn as Green Goblin was more interesting because he used to be Peter's friend and ended up sacrificing himself to save him.
 
But for the most part it was about how Spider-Man may be able to save the city, but Peter Parker can't pay his bills because he's too busy fighting crime.
Now he's a billionaire. And he's helping a lot more people.
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And the comics are Spider-Man in name-only, too.
I doubt that nowadays anyone can still make a living as a photojournalist. And he was always portrayed as a genius. Really, it's a little ridiculous that he has still to live on (below) minimum wage.
 
I doubt that nowadays anyone can still make a living as a photojournalist.
And he was a teacher for a long time after that too, which never sat well with me in terms of how often he would take off from school to Spider.
 
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