From the PD is 'fascist' to the importance of remaining sober so as to pick up drunks. One hecka of thread this one, I gotta tell you.
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Robert Beltran says the Prime Directive is 'fascist crap'
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Probably no, The Aztecs spent centuries conquering and murdering the tribes that surrounded them.
What goes around, comes around.
The Aztecs were probably normal people. It's their tyrannic rulers that are responsible, just as they are in our countries when that kind of shit happens.
Wikipedia says that Cortes defeated 300,000 Aztecs with just 6 canons.
If that doesn't scream technology-gap, nothing much else would.
If that doesn't scream technology-gap, nothing much else would.
Probably a combination of bluff, intimidation and surprise. People get used pretty quick to new technologies, after what they don't have quite the same effect on them. PT Barnum said something about a sucker being born every minute, although that was more metaphorical than an accurate figure.
I think that's what's known as an Outside-Context Problem.
I didn't mention the man power and cavalry also involved.
Cortez had a (very) small European army with him.
Cough.
Cortes formed an alliance with almost a 1/5th of a million Tlaxcala, who were a neighbouring citystate, comparable to the Aztecs.
Which means that Cortes probably used superior psychology, only to sit back and let the Native South Americans kill each other, so he could take their gold.
Which is what the Klingons did in a Private Little War almost, even though that episode was was really about Vietnam.
Cortez had a (very) small European army with him.
Cough.
Cortes formed an alliance with almost a 1/5th of a million Tlaxcala, who were a neighbouring citystate, comparable to the Aztecs.
Which means that Cortes probably used superior psychology, only to sit back and let the Native South Americans kill each other, so he could take their gold.
Which is what the Klingons did in a Private Little War almost, even though that episode was was really about Vietnam.
Or a Prime Directive Issue.
Yeah, it's kinda weird when Picard who is supposed to be a thinking being says crap that amounts to "Don't prevent these people from going extinct because you could make a bad situation worse."
What's worse than extinction, dumb-ass? To die twice?
Or in Homeward when there is that guy who kills himself and Picard says. "If we hadn't intervened, he wouldn't have died alone"
Sure, imbecile, let's kill everyone else so that one will not die alone. Because the worst thing that could happen to Picard is not people dying, it' s people dying... ALONE!
You have to be seriously unbalanced to say crap like that.
Although I like the Chakotay, Beltran should learn what fascism is.
From TNG First Contact (The Episode).
Imagine the galaxy without the Klingon fleet running round shooting shit up.
The klingons sacking thousands of words, murdering trillions and enslaving billions, could be worse than young Qo'noS becoming the victim to some natural disaster a more sophisticated civilization could easily counter.
Unless Picard is talking about how the Vulcans met the Klingons in the 15th Centruy, the text is certainly leaning to the point that the Klingons were late to the game. That the Federation, founded by humans met the Klingons as they were inventing warp drive, no matter what we saw on Enterprise years later.
The only way that the Klingons could have caught up, leapfrogging over centuries of innovation, to face the Vulcans and humans on an even keel, is by killing Federation diplomats trying to negotiate trade, and taking their ships, it's just a question of what the Federation did to elicit such a response from the Klingons.
Now imagine if the Klingons weren't even close to inventing warp.
What if some human star ship Captain, unhampered by the Prime Directive, tried to make some new friends on Qo'noS, only to be murdered and eaten. Centuries of war happened, only because the Klingons stole warp drive form the Federation.
Yes, I know!
This is likely when they got Warp?
Picard is listening to the news:
*One person died in a car accident...*
Picard: "What a tragedy! He died alone!"
*A hundred people died in a plane crash.*
Picard: "Well, at least they weren't alone!"
Morality: Picard is an asshole.
*One person died in a car accident...*
Picard: "What a tragedy! He died alone!"
*A hundred people died in a plane crash.*
Picard: "Well, at least they weren't alone!"
Morality: Picard is an asshole.
Yeah, because we all know that when a bunch of sword wielding barbarians meet a group of people with highly sophisticated weaponry and science. The barbarians end up stealing the technology and making computers and television sets. Yeah, that makes sense!
Another one that makes me roll my eyes is in Masterpiece Society. When they help the colony of people who had left Earth so they could genetically engineer a perfect (to them) society. The colony was in danger of being wiped out by an asteroid or something similar. And then some of the colonists want to leave and see the rest of the universe. The leaders of the colony believe it will cause their society to collapse. At the end Picard is bemoaning the fact that their interference may have done as much damage as the disaster.
Say what you will about Kirk, but I don't think he would have been tearing himself up about things like this the way Picard does.
Another one that makes me roll my eyes is in Masterpiece Society. When they help the colony of people who had left Earth so they could genetically engineer a perfect (to them) society. The colony was in danger of being wiped out by an asteroid or something similar. And then some of the colonists want to leave and see the rest of the universe. The leaders of the colony believe it will cause their society to collapse. At the end Picard is bemoaning the fact that their interference may have done as much damage as the disaster.
Say what you will about Kirk, but I don't think he would have been tearing himself up about things like this the way Picard does.
You're right. Kirk wasn't perfect but he never said anything that made me think he was out of his mind, like Picard did.
Yeah, because we all know that when a bunch of sword wielding barbarians meet a group of people with highly sophisticated weaponry and science. The barbarians end up stealing the technology and making computers and television sets. Yeah, that makes sense!
Custer's last stand.
Captain Cook murdered by Hawaiians.
Picard vs. Q.
Oh and then this scenario.
Maybe someone was just careless and the Klingons lucked onto technology they hadn't "earned".
Because you bought the idea that a bunch of retards (aka pakleds) could steal anything from anyone?
Seriously?
What you're talking about is like the Hawaiians in question, stealing nuclear missiles from a modern nuclear submarine and knowing exactly how to use them. Like someone could just guess how Nuclear Physics works!!!!
I've seen Tex Avery Cartoons that were more believable than that.
America left behind 40,000 Jeeps when they ran from Vietnam.
The Hur'Q are a real species from Star Trek.
It happened.
They came down, took over the Klingon home world, looted the place and left. They could have stayed for decades, or they could have stayed for hours. In Ent they claimed that the Augment Virus (that was ravaging numerous worlds) was the worst thing to Happen to the Klingons since the Hur'Q, which means that millions, maybe billions of Klingons died in conflict with the Hur'Q too.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Hur'q
This was 500 years after Kahless the Unforgettable was around.
The Hur'q took the Sword from a museum.
The Nazis were fought to a stand still by French peasants, which is the the story of the Bajorans too practically... Hey remember that time Picard got shot with a crossbow in Who Watches the Watchers?
Or how about that time a prostitute (Time travelling Kira) tired to kill Gul Dukat? It's really easy to be murdered by a woman you're leveraging into being your consort. You're explaining how you'll murder her entire family, or she can lay there and pretend that she's enjoying it, and she's rationalizing that you dead in exchange for the execution of her entire family is worth it, so all she has to do is get you drunk, and wait for you to fall asleep.
Or Tera Nova where Enterprise couldn't figure out how to take out a couple 70 year olds with air rifles after they took Archer as a hostage?
Voy Basics for Fucks sake.
The Kazon take Voyager from Janeway and then cavemen almost eat her crew because she's too inhospitable to make friends with people beneath her.
The Hur'Q are a real species from Star Trek.
It happened.
They came down, took over the Klingon home world, looted the place and left. They could have stayed for decades, or they could have stayed for hours. In Ent they claimed that the Augment Virus (that was ravaging numerous worlds) was the worst thing to Happen to the Klingons since the Hur'Q, which means that millions, maybe billions of Klingons died in conflict with the Hur'Q too.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Hur'q
This was 500 years after Kahless the Unforgettable was around.
The Hur'q took the Sword from a museum.
The Nazis were fought to a stand still by French peasants, which is the the story of the Bajorans too practically... Hey remember that time Picard got shot with a crossbow in Who Watches the Watchers?
Or how about that time a prostitute (Time travelling Kira) tired to kill Gul Dukat? It's really easy to be murdered by a woman you're leveraging into being your consort. You're explaining how you'll murder her entire family, or she can lay there and pretend that she's enjoying it, and she's rationalizing that you dead in exchange for the execution of her entire family is worth it, so all she has to do is get you drunk, and wait for you to fall asleep.
Or Tera Nova where Enterprise couldn't figure out how to take out a couple 70 year olds with air rifles after they took Archer as a hostage?
Voy Basics for Fucks sake.
The Kazon take Voyager from Janeway and then cavemen almost eat her crew because she's too inhospitable to make friends with people beneath her.
Ok, what's your point?
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