Agents of Shield - Season 4
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That Ghost Rider clip was interesting. I still wish they'd either given him a motorcycle or used Danny Ketch or Johnny Blaze or even Alejandra Jones so we'd get a Ghost Rider, not a Ghost Driver, but its not the worst thing ever. That said, if this Ghost Rider burns out the new evil SHIELD Director with his penance stare I'd become a big fan, and if he burns out Mack with the stare I'll declare him my favorite MCU character ever. 
Basically, there are several characters I want off the show, and I think destroying them with the penance stare would be a great way to do it.
Basically, there are several characters I want off the show, and I think destroying them with the penance stare would be a great way to do it.
With SHIELD being legitimate once again could we bring back Bobbi/Mockingbird? I can leave Hunter personally but does them being disavowed totally rule bringing them back in? I have no clue how being disavowed fully works, what the scope is besides "we don't recognize you or your actions".
There may be real world issues at play, like both actors have new jobs, but speaking fictionally, could they come back at some point? Even if it's just a guest stint.
I absolutely don't want to pick on kirk55555, but I've seen this argument made a bunch, and it's silly. You drive a motorcycle, you can ride in a car. Also, considering it's a human being possessed by an otherworldly force, I'm not sure that 'Ghost Rider' has to have anything to do with the vehicle beyond being convenient, when it's literally about a ghost riding around in a flesh-suit (particularly in Robbie's case, though that may change for AoS). And yes, that's a stretch. But it's no worse than the pointless ghost driver nonsense.
The whole idea was for them to leave so they could get their own show (Most Wanted). With that show kaput, I don't see why they couldn't bring them back in right away. Maybe do a "Most Wanted"-type episode to show us what they've been up to before they're dragged back into the fold.
Maybe you should wait until we actually get at least one episode with The Director before deciding you want him dead.That Ghost Rider clip was interesting. I still wish they'd either given him a motorcycle or used Danny Ketch or Johnny Blaze or even Alejandra Jones so we'd get a Ghost Rider, not a Ghost Driver, but its not the worst thing ever. That said, if this Ghost Rider burns out the new evil SHIELD Director with his penance stare I'd become a big fan, and if he burns out Mack with the stare I'll declare him my favorite MCU character ever.
I'm actually pretty happy with them going with Robbie Reyes. I know Johnny Blaze is the more popular, better known character, but Robbie sounds like he could actually be a better pick for the show. He adds more diversity to the show, which is always nice, and the stuff with his brother could be a nice bit of drama.
I'm pretty sure they could be brought back as long the agency clears their names. That was the whole storyline for the majority of the show Burn Notice, a disavowed spy trying to clear his name and get back into the CIA.
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Marvel has released a new Season 4 poster.
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I just think the ghost car is stupid. I liked the Ghost Rider who was a horseman with a ghostly horse that was in the Nic Cage movie (and a version of which was also in the Battleworld GR mini, from what I remember). But, even ignoring that, there is a difference between a car and a motorcycle. Ghost Rider drives a motorcycle. Its his thing. Yechnically, he can drive/ride whatever he wants and it will probably get a supernatural boost to match his powers. But he's Ghost Rider, and he rides a motorcycle. Kind of like how the Batmobile could be a tandem bicycle or an ATV, but no one would ever do that because it would be ridiculous.
Ghost Rider could have been Alejandra and have added diversity while keeping the motorcycle. Instead, we have someone who is probably the least popular Ghost Rider (outside of Alejandra, I guess) who drives a stupid car instead of the actual vehicle Ghost Rider drives and probably wouldn't be identifiable as Ghost Rider if they didn't specifically call him that. Plus, if there is one thing this show doesn't need, its brother drama. Been there, done that for about two seasons. Not that Robbie has any brother drama (his brother seemed fine and in a good relationship with him in his few appearances I've read), but even if he has that kind of drama, we've seen it all on AoS before.
As for the Director, I'm completely done with Evil Shield/Coulson's team under the control of nutjobs/the government is evil storylines on this show. The sooner the a-hole dies (or gets his brain/soul fried, etc) the better. We know he's a bigot who hates people with powers (just like Mack, Mockingbird, Gonzales, etc) and the show has used this type of character way too often. But, honestly, he could be the nicest guy in the world and I'd still hope for him to suffer a horrible fate. If the show could just let Coulson be director of SHIELD and cool it with the "metahumans are THE DEVIL!!!!" characters/stories, it would be a top tier superhero show. Instead, it survives on the strength of its main cast (minus Mack) and it won't be able to keep going if it doesn't start getting away from its same old boring tropes and does something different.
I would argue that the Tumbler from Batman Begins/The Dark Knight is a fusion between an ATV and a tank, and that worked out quite well, to my mind.
You're entitled to your opinion, but I completely disagree as far as Ghost Rider. I dig the car. But hey, to each their own.
Well, since I consider the Bat Tumbler to be the worst Batmobile in the history of the character (comic, cartoon, live action, etc), I obviously disagree.
He's wearing leather and he has a flaming skull. Anyone who knows what ghost rider is could identify that, no matter what he drives...
This Ghost Rider (from the comics) doesn't ride a motorcycle. It would be changing the source material to make him.
And Batman is a bad example since Batman does, in fact, ride a motorcycle as well.
^ The original Ghost Rider did ride a motorcycle. They're using a later incarnation of the character.
I don't think AoS has dealt with people with disabilities before, so that is something new. That's the drama I was talking about, not typical family drama.
But we still don't even know what The Director is like, all we know for sure is that he doesn't agree with Coulson & Co about the Inhumans. I know I tell you this all the time, but just because a character doesn't agree with out heroes doesn't automatically make them evil.
Actually, the original Ghost Rider rode a horse.
Actually, the original Ghost Rider rode a horse.
guess that means they swapped horse for horse power
"You don't get to decide who lives or dies."
"I'm not the one who decides."
"I'm not the one who decides."
That's fine. In rare cases, changing stupid source material is good. Batman: The Animated Series changed Mr. freeze from the source material into an awesome villain.
The best solution to this would just be to use a different Ghost Rider. Alejandra works perfectly as Ghost Rider if they really want diversity, Blaze or Ketch if the want a more classic Rider. But, if they must use that version, giving him a motorcycle is the only way to make him a Ghost "Rider". Otherwise he's just a bad comic book idea put on screen instead of the good comic book versions.
Any one who hates people or wants to lock them up because they're different from them is evil. This SHIELD director (just like Gonzales, Mockingbird, mack, etc) is just an X-Men villain, except he hates Inhumans instead of mutants. No one who has similar beliefs is anything but a bad guy. A character doesn't come back from being a bigot, its one of the most obvious types of irredeemable bad guy. The only way they could be more innately evil is if they were a nazi or something like that.
That's why I said "this" Ghost Rider. I'm aware the first modern incarnation of Ghost Rider (note, not the first Ghost Rider, who was a western character that's been renamed to "Phantom Rider.") rode a motorcycle, but I don't get why that would be the only available option.
Wow, you really aren't a forgiven person are you.
I really think a person can be a bigot without being totally evil, they could easily just not understand the other or think about the other group. They are definite not irredeemable in my eyes, as long as they long come to see the error of their ways and change their behavior. The only way I could see someone like that as irredeemable would be if they were full on genocidal and responsible for killing people in that group. If they said mean things or maybe locked the person up temporarily, it's definitely bad but not irredeemable for me.
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