What are your thoughts about seeing the prime universe again?

[Mudd]

Writers do this all the time.

And will again.

 

[Mr Awe]

Discovery has me excited because I get to watch new Star Trek with my youngest son. Who was born in 2007, and this will be his first Star Trek series produced during his life.

I think this is what you should focus on. Not the details of the timeline, visual style, or what not. Is this a show that you can enjoy? And, that's how we should all look at it. Does the show provide good storytelling?

Mr Awe

 

[Mr Awe]

I'm a Star Trek fan since the 60s and I've always wanted Discovery to be set in Prime (our universe), but ...

• I've written how I'd like to see it not tied to the look and feel of TOS, or be as canonically self-conscious as Enterprise, but something more contemporarily predictive of our future - not from the 60s' point of view - to align Prime back into our reality.
• I've written how I'd like to see Star Trek done in the Game of Thrones style with all the serialization and mature content therein. Though that might put off some parents from family viewing.

So while I qualify for your concerns, I certainly do not fit them.

I've written some of the same things as well. Take the best elements that the Prime universe has to offer and make the most out of them in a way that works for the new series. But that doesn't mean being a slave to all the little details or exactly reproducing the visual styles of that point in that timeline!

Mr Awe

 

[Mr Awe]

There are always outliers. But there weren't many folks clamoring for a show that took place between Enterprise and Star Trek. For many folks, they were equating "Prime" with post-Nemesis.

You're overgeneralizing here. There were those who wanted Prime, and there were those who wanted Prime that was specifically post Nemesis. I was in that later group. However, I'm fine with the time period and if I could've picked a time period that had to be a prequel, that's the period I would have chosen. But, either way, I'm glad it's in the Prime universe.

On the other hand, if it had been in the Kelvin or new universe, that would've been a bit of a disappointment but ultimately I'd be able to get behind it if the storytelling was compelling.

Mr Awe

 

[Mr Awe]

The focus so far has been on a single word, "Prime." There have been many other quotes from people involved in the production that have been ignored, and indicate that the new show might not be as "prime" as some would like. As far as I know, no cast has been announced and not a single frame has been shot. We don't know at this point in time what "Fuller's Prime" means.

No, we don't know. And, there's been a surprising and unwarranted degree of certainty from "non-primers" that it'll only be Prime in name. That is a possibility. But, we just don't know yet.

One thing that we do know from Fuller is that he specifically chose the Prime timeline *because* he wanted to use some Prime elements. Rationally, that suggests that it'll be more than just Prime in name. But, we don't have a full picture of what it means exactly.

At this point, we should just wait an see.

Mr Awe

 

[Mr Awe]

Completely wrong
The fuss is about it being one, continuing universe. Not a reboot. Character continuity, rather then some narrow-minded obsession about production details.
I love the original Trek universe. The one with Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway and Archer. And I'm excited Discovery will be part of that universe.

Yes! This is exactly it! It's not the minute details. It's the overarching universe with a shared history. Very well said!

The production details are the minutiae while the historical context and particularly the ongoing stories and character continuity are the real heart of matter.

Mr Awe

 

[Kor]

I suspect it will be more of a "broad strokes" depiction of the Prime Universe. It would definitely work, since there's really no need to reference everything in the Prime Universe right down to the minutest details.

But really, who on Earth cares what universe it takes place in, as long as it's good?

Kor

 

[BillJ]

And, there's been a surprising and unwarranted degree of certainty from "non-primers" that it'll only be Prime in name.

Why exactly is that a problem? Unless it is hitting a nerve and causing uncertainty for some, it can be filed away as unsubstantiated speculation.

 

[Jedi_Master]

I just feel like this whole "Prime" universe routine is a grasp at something else, it has to be for the argument to be sustained this long.

 

[Kemaiku]

Oh I will be....I was fifty on fifty on prince Lestat. It was definitely a step up on the last one, and felt like someone doing an Anne Rice impression. Plus I like the Halloween Tradition of a new chronicles to read.

I liked Prince Lestat, in that it dropped everything but the original trilogy, David's bodyswap and some of Armand and Marius' background, shedding almost the entire franchise apart from that, including the godawful Blackwood lot.

Not sure why we're calling him Prince since he is now the King of the Damned, I was hoping for more development from Amel, but that might be the B-plot to the novel.

Eh, the last one was strangely grounded, this one sounds wacky enough to go in a whole new direction.

 

[Mr Awe]

I don't get the big deal, honestly. It is all Star Trek. At least for me it is.

So I can only repeat myself: I'm happy we are actually seeing a continuation (or, rather prequel) of the original Trek universe. Not the reboot. The differences are subtle, and only matter in-universe, and for some fans. But I'm one of those.

Rahul had addressed this already. My emphasis in his quote above. This is not something that matters to all fans. And, there is no correct opinion on this. It's just a matter of preference.

I'm in the same boat as Rahul and I'm glad for the same reasons. The fact that it is the same universe with a shared history is a value add for me.

YMMV. And, that's totally fine.

Mr Awe

 

[Mr Awe]

Writers do this all the time.

At their own peril.

 

[Mr Awe]

Why exactly is that a problem? Unless it is hitting a nerve and causing uncertainty for some, it can be filed away as unsubstantiated speculation.

I guess the reason why it is so annoying is because it reflects the unwarranted certainty presented by those in the other threads that the Prime universe is dead and you're an idiot if you think otherwise. You were wrong then and you might well be wrong now. No one here knows anything for certain.

It's fine to have an opinion and defend it. But, at a basic level, we just don't know what the series will be like. Why not wait and see? Sure, you think it will be Prime in name only, but you don't know. I think it will be more than Prime in name only, but I don't know either. We've each presented some reasoning, now we just sit back and see what we get. Hopefully we like it.

But, cut it out with certainty act. You don't know anything more than one else here.

Mr Awe

 

[BillJ]

But, cut it out with certainty act. You don't know anything more than one else here.

I never said I did. You are reading things into my posts that aren't there. That uncertainty creeping in...

 

[jaime]

I liked Prince Lestat, in that it dropped everything but the original trilogy, David's bodyswap and some of Armand and Marius' background, shedding almost the entire franchise apart from that, including the godawful Blackwood lot.

Not sure why we're calling him Prince since he is now the King of the Damned, I was hoping for more development from Amel, but that might be the B-plot to the novel.

Eh, the last one was strangely grounded, this one sounds wacky enough to go in a whole new direction.

They kept all that stuff though, they just didn't draw too much attention to it. I actually felt the end was a bit of a let down, in particular because I had always been fond of the twins. I found the apple product placement hilarious and the retconning of Lestat to knowing next to nothing about computers was entertaining.

 

[Gojira]

.....and that we should just let it go, what was your reaction when you heard that this show is taking place in the prime universe? Were you glad that the prime universe is coming back?

I was pleasantly surprised to see them go back to the prime universe. I just hope they don't mess with continuity.

 

[JWPlatt]

@Mr Awe: Just curious... Despite a couple of people saying things like "Multi-quote is your friend," you will not assimilate. Are you trying to prove that resistance is not futile?

 

[Mr Awe]

@Mr Awe: Just curious... Despite a couple of people saying things like "Multi-quote is your friend," you will not assimilate. Are you trying to prove that resistance is not futile?

I did use it once just recently in this thread! I guess it's not worthwhile if no one noticed!

Mr Awe

 

[Rahul]

I suspect it will be more of a "broad strokes" depiction of the Prime Universe. It would definitely work, since there's really no need to reference everything in the Prime Universe right down to the minutest details.

I think that's pretty much a given! I doubt there will be a lot if any references to the different timelines. I guess it will only show in the smalles of details: aka the ship will have a viewscreen again, instead of a window on the bridge, and the size of the starship will be closer to the prime starships instead to the super-sized JJ-timeline starships.

That being said, I guess the series is made by design in a way that it doesn't require much background knowledge and people not overly familiar with Trek can put it in either timeline. Because of it's pre-TOS mentionings of events from the other Trek series (except Enterprise) will be at a bare minimum, and if so they would probably come as prequels to later events.

But really, who on Earth cares what universe it takes place in, as long as it's good?

Kor

Well, anybody posting in this thread for a beginning, and everyone who posted in one of those endless "prime is dead and will never come back" threads that were collected and put links to a few pages earlier

 

[JWPlatt]

I did use it once just recently in this thread! I guess it's not worthwhile if no one noticed!

This thread is only for commenting about things people do wrong, such as saying Prime is dead and we'll never see it again.