I see. For a moment there I thought you meant you took a sadistic pleasure in seeing that poor man begging for his life.
Excessive Criticism of "STAR TREK VOYAGER"
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I see. For a moment there I thought you meant you took a sadistic pleasure in seeing that poor man begging for his life.
Plus, did they ever show them using a torpedo casing to bury one of their dead in space?
haha, no I really felt bad for him.
I would imagine that just the casing would be something you could replicate
As Kim said to Seven (after she assured him that she would never again strike him at the base of his skull): "That's good to hear."
In that case, why can't they replicate something more coffin-like?
I guess because it's tradition
To empty a piece of equipment to turn it into a makeshift sarcophagus? To hell with that tradition!
Well if they could replicate the casing, what part was un-replaceable? I thought they used a small anti-matter charge as the explosive in photon torpedos. Obviously they had access to anti-matter or the ship would not be able to go anywhere. I agree, I don't think that the casing itself would be something they couldn't replicate, it was just a shell.
The shuttlecraft, maybe they could have scavenged for parts from the wrecked ones, or recycled the debris. I also agree with @Lynx, they had to have had a shuttle and torpedo building team.
They just never chose to show it.Well if they could replicate the casing, what part was un-replaceable? I thought they used a small anti-matter charge as the explosive in photon torpedos. Obviously they had access to anti-matter or the ship would not be able to go anywhere. I agree, I don't think that the casing itself would be something they couldn't replicate, it was just a shell.
The shuttlecraft, maybe they could have scavenged for parts from the wrecked ones, or recycled the debris. I also agree with @Lynx, they had to have had a shuttle and torpedo building team.
They built the delta-flier from the ground up in a matter of days. It seems to me that all they did is assemble replicated parts.
I would imagine the part that was difficult to replace with the explosive. But they were able to do it later on as we sawWell if they could replicate the casing, what part was un-replaceable? I thought they used a small anti-matter charge as the explosive in photon torpedos. Obviously they had access to anti-matter or the ship would not be able to go anywhere. I agree, I don't think that the casing itself would be something they couldn't replicate, it was just a shell.
The shuttlecraft, maybe they could have scavenged for parts from the wrecked ones, or recycled the debris. I also agree with @Lynx, they had to have had a shuttle and torpedo building team.
Replicating anti-matter shouldn't be a problem. The real problem is how do you keep it away from matter? That's a real conundrum given that all you have is matter and anti-matter, that means that you have nothing solid to put in between. I mean these bozos can't even keep viruses from leaking out! Viruses are billions of times bigger than atoms of anti-matter!!!
But I think it's high past time that the common knowledge I've seen online that Voyager is the weaker of the Treks and never really lived up to its premise be re-examined, at the very least. I can see where some aspects might have been disappointing when Next Gen had only recently ended, and when TV programs were starting to grow in ways that Voyager wasn't. And a lot of opinions are entangled in the behind-the-scenes drama, which at this point is a matter of historical record. But twenty years later, a lot of that can be put to one side. I'd recommend a Voyager re-watch for the skeptics--you might find that it's better than you remember. (I promise, making it to the end of Season 7 does not turn you into a space salamander.
TC
I really disliked Voyager during its original run but about a year ago I re-watched it and my intense dislike of it mellowed and it wasn't as bad as I remember it being, but I still think out of the 80s/90s Trek shows it is the weakest in terms of character development, continuity and story concepts. Voyager did have some truly great episodes: Year of Hell, Scorpion etc. but I always found that Voyager never had that break through like TNG season 3 or DS9 season 4 where the quality of the show changed because the writers had found their footing.
We now know that Voyager was filled with behind the scenes issues of a chaotic writers room to conflicting demands from both Paramount and UPN. I feel Voyager fell into a trap that a lot of spin-off shows fall into when the ratings start to slide which is to try and use elements from the 'mother show' that were popular: the Borg, Q, Troi, Barclay, Ferengi, Romulans etc. Yes of course DS9 used TNG elements (most notably Worf) but I think it did a better job of incorporating those elements into its own fold. In many ways Voyager tried to be TNG 2.0. The whole purpose of Voyager being set in the Delta Quadrant was to start with a fresh slate and I don't know how effective the show was at doing that.
My overall feeling is Voyager could have been something great and expanded the Trek franchise in the same way TNG and DS9 did but it really fell back into old habits quickly and like I said largely because of a lot of behind the scenes stuff. For me Voyager has far more forgettable episodes than really great ones.
Voyager had a lot of potential that ended up not happening. I think it might be the reason (if you check on Fanfiction.net) that Voyager has a larger collection of stories than all the other Trek shows. There are fans who loved the show and wanted to write their head canon to make things make sense.
Some of the best ones I've read are ones that try to answer those questions that the show itself just left hanging. Like for example them actually having to stop and gather or trade for supplies and/or make do with what they have. And stories that explore and feature the minor characters that the actual show chose to ignore.
Some of the best ones I've read are ones that try to answer those questions that the show itself just left hanging. Like for example them actually having to stop and gather or trade for supplies and/or make do with what they have. And stories that explore and feature the minor characters that the actual show chose to ignore.
TNG and DS9 were no more great than VOY, as far as I'm concerned. I believe all three shows were the best of the franchise and all three possessed some serious writing flaws that prevented them from achieving their promise. I believe this was especially the case for DS9, who had the best potential, due to its premise. Unfortunately, like VOY and TNG, the writing tripped up that show.
And I still believe that most fans tend to excessively criticize VOY more than any other Trek show, due to having a woman as its leading character. Yes, I realize that many will deny this. But after viewing all of the Trek shows and the comments about them, I cannot help but come to this conclusion.
And I still believe that most fans tend to excessively criticize VOY more than any other Trek show, due to having a woman as its leading character. Yes, I realize that many will deny this. But after viewing all of the Trek shows and the comments about them, I cannot help but come to this conclusion.
I don't know if it's because of the woman captain or not but Voyage definately gets criticised for things that every other series has done and people don't criticise them for it...like holodeck and time travel episodes for example
While I'm sure there are backwards fans who dislike Voyager because the series lead was a woman, I can assure you I'm not one of them and I don't think the majority of the fandom believes that either. I am a man who raised by a single mother, who has always had female bosses in my career and has ZERO issues with women in positions of authority. I think there are legitimate debates to be had surrounding the writing of the Janeway character but the same can be said about Sisko or Picard or Archer so I don't buy that argument to debate Janeway or Voyager is sexist unless the debate is should Janeway have been a man.
You could spin that argument around and say the a lot of Trek fans disliked DS9 because the captain was a person of color and I wouldn't buy that either. Voyager suffered from bad and occasionally lazy writing pure and simple. That has always been my view of the show. I love Kate Mulgrew and she was great in the role and did amazing work with the material the writers gave her and Janeway remains my second favorite captain next to Picard.
The truth is that if you ask most (not all) Trek fans, the two most popular shows are TOS and TNG. After TNG the fandom seems to be divided on DS9, VOY and ENT. Voyager is my least favorite Trek because of its poor character development, lack of continuity, repetitive stories, reliance on old TNG elements particularly the Borg, and the unrealistic idea that a tiny starship stranded a lifetime away from home is going to be in pristine condition with unlimited supplies and a happy crew.
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Maybe they used the replicators to manufacture all the torpedoes and shuttlecrafts.
I watched Star Trek:Voyager during it's original run and enjoyed the series. I do believe the majority of episodes were as good as both NG and DS9. Also, Voyager episodes were far better than the first three season of Enterprise[I liked season four. Unfortunately, it was canceled.].
Voyager felt like Star Trek's version of Battlestar Galactica in it's quest for Earth which I liked in both cases.
well yes, they used the replicators to make componentsMaybe they used the replicators to manufacture all the torpedoes and shuttlecrafts.
I watched Star Trek:Voyager during it's original run and enjoyed the series. I do believe the majority of episodes were as good as both NG and DS9. Also, Voyager episodes were far better than the first three season of Enterprise[I liked season four. Unfortunately, it was canceled.].
Voyager felt like Star Trek's version of Battlestar Galactica in it's quest for Earth which I liked in both cases.
