The Seska/Kazon arc

[Lynx]

The Borg Baby became a tech wizard whi could do miracles in small spaces. We never saw the Borg Baby becasue she was busy working in some small pipe in some newbuilt shuttle or torpedo.
Samantha Wildman took care of the Borg Baby while Naomi was handled over to Neelix and Flotter.

 

[locutus101]

I think Seska wasn't dead. The doc left her in storage and then Seven accidentally woke her as she did with the Vaadwaur. Seska told her some story and now she's hiding somewhere on the ship while causing all sorts of problems, that's why Voyager is on the verge of destruction every other episode. It couldn't possibly due to Janeway's incompetence, Nooooo!

 

[weissmr]

I really enjoy the season 2 arc and it is among my favorite seasons of the entire show. I find that it is far underrated by the fans. Either way, I enjoy it. As for Seska, I just love her. She is a great character and foe for our friends.

One thing I never understood was the "Kazon are Klingon rip-offs". I mean, I guess the make-up is similar? Other than that, they are two completely different beasts. Klingons have a rich culture, formal government, etc. Kazon are fractal, nomadic, and unpredictable (other than they will grab for power if possible).

That being said, we probably saw them for too long, considering voyager was on a one-way trip away from them. This was a fundamental misunderstanding by the writers of the very premise of the show. Voyager was the best candidate for linear story telling. We got a glimpse of what could have been in season 2.

I love Voyager though. I can mirror some others that when it aired, I was very critical of it. Re-watching it is really fun though.

 

[tomalak301]

I loved the Kazon arc because I loved Seska. I thought she was one of the most interesting characters on Voyager and her chemistry with Cullah was always amusing. Also, this was as close to an "Arc" (Not overall big picture but arc) that Voyager got.

 

[firehawk12]

Seska was an okay villain, but the Kazon just made for bad henchmen. And they jettisoned the arc in season 3 so quickly that it all seemed to amount to nothing... Seska dies because of a flash of light on the bridge and the Kazon run away. The episode with Holographic Seska turned out to be the better final showdown between her and the crew, and maybe having Seska lead a Maquis mutiny would have been better than a woman who steals Chakotay's DNA to try to have his baby.

 

[Terok Nor]

I loved Seska. Killing her off was a big mistake but at least she came back a few times. I missed Culluh. For a Kazon he was pretty good. That species were not very interesting but I did enjoy a few Kazon episodes.

 

[Sophie74656]

I loved the Kazon arc because I loved Seska. I thought she was one of the most interesting characters on Voyager and her chemistry with Cullah was always amusing. Also, this was as close to an "Arc" (Not overall big picture but arc) that Voyager got.

Voyager had several other arcs. Episodes with 8472 and the Hirogen arc are the first that come to mind.

 

[locutus101]

Voyager had several other arcs. Episodes with 8472 and the Hirogen arc are the first that come to mind.

Can they be called "arcs" when it's several non subsequent episodes?

 

[Sophie74656]

Can they be called "arcs" when it's several non subsequent episodes?

I don't think they have to be back to back episodes to still be considered an arc.

this is what memory alpha consideres to be arcs on voyager
Seska

• "State of Flux"
• "Maneuvers"
• "Alliances"
• "Lifesigns"
• "Investigations"
• "Basics, Part I"
• "Basics, Part II"
• "Worst Case Scenario"
• "Shattered"

• Q Civil War
  • "Death Wish"
  • "The Q and the Grey"
  • "Q2"

• The Hirogen's Hunt
  • "Message in a Bottle"
  • "Hunters"
  • "Prey"
  • "The Killing Game"
  • "The Killing Game, Part II"
  • "Flesh and Blood"

• Barclay and the Pathfinder Project
  • "Pathfinder"
  • "Life Line"
  • "Inside Man"
  • "Author, Author

 

[locutus101]

I don't think they have to be back to back episodes to still be considered an arc.

this is what memory alpha consideres to be arcs on voyager
Seska

• "State of Flux"
• "Maneuvers"
• "Alliances"
• "Lifesigns"
• "Investigations"
• "Basics, Part I"
• "Basics, Part II"
• "Worst Case Scenario"
• "Shattered"

• Q Civil War
  • "Death Wish"
  • "The Q and the Grey"
  • "Q2"

• The Hirogen's Hunt
  • "Message in a Bottle"
  • "Hunters"
  • "Prey"
  • "The Killing Game"
  • "The Killing Game, Part II"
  • "Flesh and Blood"

• Barclay and the Pathfinder Project
  • "Pathfinder"
  • "Life Line"
  • "Inside Man"
  • "Author, Author

Personally, I think it's an abuse of language but if it makes them happy...

 

[Sophie74656]

Personally, I think it's an abuse of language but if it makes them happy...

So your definition of an arc is back to back episodes? Even if the story clearly continues through non back to back episodes?

 

[locutus101]

So your definition of an arc is back to back episodes? Even if the story clearly continues through non back to back episodes?

Yeah, pretty much. Like the Six episodes when DS9 is occupied by the Dominion, constitute an arc, because there are none in between.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I don't think they have to be back to back episodes to still be considered an arc.

this is what memory alpha consideres to be arcs on voyager
Seska

• "State of Flux"
• "Maneuvers"
• "Alliances"
• "Lifesigns"
• "Investigations"
• "Basics, Part I"
• "Basics, Part II"
• "Worst Case Scenario"
• "Shattered"

• Q Civil War
  • "Death Wish"
  • "The Q and the Grey"
  • "Q2"

• The Hirogen's Hunt
  • "Message in a Bottle"
  • "Hunters"
  • "Prey"
  • "The Killing Game"
  • "The Killing Game, Part II"
  • "Flesh and Blood"

• Barclay and the Pathfinder Project
  • "Pathfinder"
  • "Life Line"
  • "Inside Man"
  • "Author, Author

This is what I consider an arc...

Introduction -> manifestation and change -> Resolution.

Throw the ball, the ball flies, then falls downward, than strikes the earth becuase it's flight is over.

Character arc, vs. Story arc.

Hiring the same actress, does not constitute a story arc, otherwise every episode with Mulgrew in it is a story arc about Janeway.

Seska hiding as a Bajoran and being a plotting dick and then being discovered = story arc. Which was artificial. Sesks's fake Bajoran character was retroactively inserted into all the finished season one scripts as soon as the producers received the first draft of State of Flux. I say trick, but this is actually what a producer does, it's literally what their job is.

Seska ####ing Cullah, taking over the kazon, taking over Voyager, and dying = story arc.

Beginning, middle, end.

Michael Jonas delivering spy reports to Seska or her lieutenants is not a story arc, there's no evolution. He's a spy they didn't catch for a while, we don't know his motivations, and then Neelix kills him. Neelix needs more credit for that. Even though Jonas is really what holds together the Tom being a dick trying to join Seska's crew subplot. Tom + Jonas + Seska = Story arc. Moving parts continuing to interact over the course of three to 6 weeks. The odd bit are the episodes peppered inbetween the Jonas spy reports that have nothing to do with this arc. Meld where Jonas would have taken Suder or Romulan-Tuvok as an ally, or how come neither omniscient Q spotted Jonas as a naughty spy? And seriously, after Jonas passed on Voyager's Warp Ten Experiments, do you think the Kazon would stop using those engines just because they sometimes turn into salamanders?

Worse case Scenario and Shattered are blips. Worst Case Scenario is a timebomb, and Shattered is folded time that had no impact in the past present or future.

 

[marlboro]

I liked Seska. I think it would have been interesting to see her pop up once or twice per season making her journey back to the alpha quadrant. 70,000 light years of alliances, betrayals, cold blooded calculation, and revenge on the crew of the Voyager.

 

[locutus101]

I liked Seska. I think it would have been interesting to see her pop up once or twice per season making her journey back to the alpha quadrant. 70,000 light years of alliances, betrayals, cold blooded calculation, and revenge on the crew of the Voyager.

Yes, they should have lost harry and taken her in his place.

 

[Catarina]

so many opportunities to ditch Harry.

Yes, they should have lost harry and taken her in his place.

 

[DigificWriter]

A story arc is any stream of episodes that follow similar thematic lines and expressly or subtly reference/build upon one another. It doesn't matter if said episodes follow one after the other or if they're spread out over the course of a given season (or across numerous seasons).

Also, for the record, Memory Alpha's list of Voyager story arcs is actually incomplete, being that it is missing several additional story arcs such as Voyager's encounters with the Vidiians (Phage, Faces, Lifesigns, Deadlock, Resolutions), Voyager's encounters with the Borg (too many episodes to list here), Voyager's encounters with the Krenim (Before and After and Year of Hell), Voyager's encounters with Species 8472 (Scorpion 1 & 2 and In the Flesh), and Voyager's encounters with Captain Braxton (Future's End 1 and 2 and Relativity), just to name a few.

 

[locutus101]

A story arc is any stream of episodes that follow similar thematic lines and expressly or subtly reference/build upon one another. It doesn't matter if said episodes follow one after the other or if they're spread out over the course of a given season (or across numerous seasons).

Also, for the record, Memory Alpha's list of Voyager story arcs is actually incomplete, being that it is missing several additional story arcs such as Voyager's encounters with the Vidiians (Phage, Faces, Lifesigns, Deadlock, Resolutions), Voyager's encounters with the Borg (too many episodes to list here), Voyager's encounters with the Krenim (Before and After and Year of Hell), Voyager's encounters with Species 8472 (Scorpion 1 & 2 and In the Flesh), and Voyager's encounters with Captain Braxton (Future's End 1 and 2 and Relativity), just to name a few.

I think there's no limit to the number of arcs you could list that way, more than there are episodes maybe.

For example you have the "the doctor is malfunctioning episodes", there are more than half a dozen of them. Or harry is having a bizarre relationship or Neelix is poisoning the crew or Chakotay is having a new hobby. Or Janeway's new love interest. Or Seven's still a borg.... etc...

 

[DigificWriter]

In order to qualify as part of an ongoing story arc, an episode has to do BOTH of the things I mentioned, not just one or the other.

 

[locutus101]

In order to qualify as part of an ongoing story arc, an episode has to do BOTH of the things I mentioned, not just one or the other.

The ones I listed do both of the things you mentioned.