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Discovery to get tie-ins!

Keeper said:
As for the topic, I guess this explains why Ongoing got the ax.
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No, Ongoing was ended because of the status-quo change at the end of Beyond. It's being replaced by a new Kelvin-Timeline series, Boldly Go, which will be set after Beyond (or rather, during the time-lapse sequence at the end of Beyond). It's common these days for comics publishers to end a series and then relaunch it under a new title or creative team or just a new volume number. Since #1 issues are good jumping-on points for new readers, publishers like to have as many #1 issues as possible.
 
ronny said:
Yeah, I do think that at this point. We've been told the books can't mention anything from the Kelvin movies. So yeah, it seem's like the books will either not pass the point where that happens or they ignore it. What do you think is going to happen?
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Personally, I think that licensing agreements will be renegotiated some time in the coming months or years to allow for it. :p
 
Therin of Andor said:
It just hasn't happened yet. You really think the forthcoming novels will never pass that event, or will ignore it when they do?
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I'm surprised you're not aware of this Therin, I'm pretty sure I've seen you in other threads where this has come up in the past.
Legally they are not allowed to refer to anything from the Kelvin timeline movies, so they have no choice but to either skip over the destruction of Romulus or ignore it.
 
JD said:
I'm surprised you're not aware of this Therin, I'm pretty sure I've seen you in other threads where this has come up in the past.
Legally they are not allowed to refer to anything from the Kelvin timeline movies, so they have no choice but to either skip over the destruction of Romulus or ignore it.
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Right, but I think Therin means that that is only true under current agreements, and that to think that it will literally never happen is to think that those agreements will never be altered. Basically what I referenced in my last post. :p
 
The important part there is might. I really hope it does, because that is pretty huge change to the universe for them to have to ignore.
 
JD said:
Legally they are not allowed to refer to anything from the Kelvin timeline movies, so they have no choice but to either skip over the destruction of Romulus or ignore it.
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Except that a few things from those movies have already been indirectly referenced in some of the novels. Sometimes these things are less about "You cannot ever acknowledge that this exists" as more just "You can't directly depict this or base a plot on it." So maybe it could be alluded to in stories that weren't specifically about it. Maybe. I dunno. There are usually gray areas with these things.
 
The Wormhole said:
Just the nature of licensing talk. After all, the contracts just say the novels can't reference anything from the Bad Robot movies, not "do not make reference to anything from Bad Robot movies unless it is from the continuity labeled 'Prime Universe.'"

As it currently stands, we know the Pocket novels aren't allowed to reference the destruction of Romulus. Indeed, the progression through the years is even being slowed down so they can hold off the issue long enough until hopefully the legal hurdles can be overcome. This has been confirmed many times on this very forum by authors from Pocket.
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I never thought it through. Up until recently I just thought they didn't want stories involving the new crew, but yeah, it makes sense the contracts are going to say 'nothing from the movies' as opposed to try to distinguish events in the Prime vs. Kelvin universe. I'm laughing just thinking about lawyers trying to argue a case like that in front of a judge.
 
Y'all are getting too wrapped around the axle about this. We're not referencing events from the JJ movies for the same reason we're not referencing plot lines from Star Wars or Seinfeld. It's not part of Pocket's licensing agreement. So far as they're concerned, it's a separate entity from the "prime" shows and films. :)
 
Dayton Ward said:
Y'all are getting too wrapped around the axle about this. We're not referencing events from the JJ movies for the same reason we're not referencing plot lines from Star Wars or Seinfeld. It's not part of Pocket's licensing agreement. So far as they're concerned, it's a separate entity from the "prime" shows and films. :)
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You don't have a requirement to stay consistent with details from Star Wars or Seinfeld, though. :p

From what was described by other authors previously, under current agreements you aren't allowed to either directly reference or contradict the 2387 events from the first Kelvinverse movie; is that not right? The main issue people have is that the destruction of Romulus would be a pretty significant detail to neither reference nor contradict given the Typhon Pact and all, which we were told is part of the reason why the novelverse slowed down time-wise since it's already up to 2386.
 
Stop trying to lick me. We don't know each other that well.

Under the current agreement as I understand it, we are not allowed to reference anything from the JJ films. That may change when a new agreement is hammered out.

As for the "canon" and what was shown on screen and all the rest of it, I know this is going to come as a shock to some people... but it's come up in conversation a few times between authors and editors, dating back to...oh...May 2009. :)
 
I still expect that at some point this can be worked out between Margaret and the CBS licensing people, without any new contracts being written between Pocket and Bad Robot or Paramount. The right people just haven't been backed into the right corners yet.
 
JD said:
Legally they are not allowed to refer to anything from the Kelvin timeline movies, so they have no choice but to either skip over the destruction of Romulus or ignore it.
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We were also told that no license agreement existed for ENT, and yet IDW negotiated an appearancce by Phlox. If the 24th century novels need to move past Romulus, it will be negotiated somehow. I have no doubt.
 
King Daniel Beyond said:
My favourite weird early abnormality is when Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens snuck an Enterprise reference into Captain's Peril, based on the early casting sheet bios. There's a passing mention of the famous "Jack" Archer!
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Oh wow, I never caught that! That was a nice try; they should have just stuck to "Captain Archer", lol.

TC
 
Therin of Andor said:
We were also told that no license agreement existed for ENT, and yet IDW negotiated an appearancce by Phlox. If the 24th century novels need to move past Romulus, it will be negotiated somehow. I have no doubt.
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You should have plenty of doubt about that. After all, the ideas in question don't belong to Pocket, so it's not Pocket's needs that would dictate the outcome. If Pocket's needs outweighed those of the other parties involved, then the tie-in novels would never have been cancelled.
 
ryan123450 said:
I still expect that at some point this can be worked out between Margaret and the CBS licensing people, without any new contracts being written between Pocket and Bad Robot or Paramount. The right people just haven't been backed into the right corners yet.
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Probably will take a new contract anyway, as I don't expect this matter to be addressed until the next time Pocket needs to renew the license anyway.
Therin of Andor said:
We were also told that no license agreement existed for ENT, and yet IDW negotiated an appearancce by Phlox. If the 24th century novels need to move past Romulus, it will be negotiated somehow. I have no doubt.
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IDW gets a lot of leeway with their comics. Despite only having the license to TOS, TNG, and the Kelvin Timeline they work in stuff from the other series all the time. Take the TNG Myriad Universe's comic for example, which does include Tuvok and the climax is essentially spun-off from a Voyager episode. Or the fact that despite supposedly losing the DS9 license after Fool's Gold, they were still able to do a full-on DS9 Crossover in the Kelvin Ongoing series.
 
The Wormhole said:
IDW gets a lot of leeway with their comics.
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Same CBS Consumer Products staff approving. I would say that Pocket has had plenty of "leeway" over the years. I don't think anyone is discriminating between tie-ins. Every story (and every exception granted) is approved on a case-by-case basis.

Christopher said:
If Pocket's needs outweighed those of the other parties involved, then the tie-in novels would never have been cancelled.
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Well, we'll see what the future kicks up.

I didn't say that Pocket's needs outweighed anyone else's. Declaring a planet extinguished to continue a timeline is a little different to four whole stories set between two movies that were threatening to overrule the novels' storylines anyway. Still, there's no rush to get to the explosion.

It's strange that the novels were commissioned by Pocket (and synopses approved?) in the first place.

Oh well...
 
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This will sound naive, but I'm surprised that Romulus can't be destroyed just because it was in ST11. So Pocket can't ever have an incident if it is similar to one in the Kelvin Timeline, even if they don't mention Nero or Spock's involvement or red matter? Bummer that it only flows in one direction.
 
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