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Spoilers Suicide Squad - Grading & Discussion

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That statement betrays a complete failure to understand what an RT score means. A movie with an RT score of 26% does not indicate that it is "half as good" or "twice as bad" as a movie with a 42% score; it means that only a quarter of surveyed critics gave it an overall recommendation. A movie 51% critics agree is meh can therefore get a worse RT score than one two-thirds think is meh, but one-third really and totally loves. Got it?
I'm just quoting this because it really needs to be stickied somewhere on this site. A movie could have a 100% RT score and the consensus be "meh, it's okay" while another movie could have a 0% RT score and the consensus could be "kinda bad, but could be worse". If you want to know what the critics think it's important to read the reviews. The RT score only tells you the probability of a random person giving the movie a passing grade. Nothing more and nothing less.
 
And yet films like Iron Man 2, Age of Ultron, and Spider-Man 3 all get a pass for being overstuffed messes and set up movies. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 did everything Spider-Man 3 and Iron Man 2 did and yet the critics didn't take to kindly to it. Even though, TASM 2 told it's story better than either of the 2 aforementioned films.

I agree. AOU was a huge mess and seemed more interested in setting up future movies than telling a good story. TAS2 suffered from the same problem but for me was so much more entertaining because we got to learn backstory for peter parker that we never had learned before.

I really dont see what was messy about SS. Kill Bill did a similiar setup where quick backstories were told for all the principle players thru the film and I dont remember anyone calling that one a mess.
 
I really dont see what was messy about SS. Kill Bill did a similiar setup where quick backstories were told for all the principle players thru the film and I dont remember anyone calling that one a mess.

May I nominate 'expositing Harley, Enchantress, Boomerang, and Deadshot's' backstories twice in 15 min, with no new information gained?'

MoS did the same thing. We see the prologue, and later Jor-El recaps it (via moving pictures)for Clarke. Similarly, we get two flashbacks where Jonathan Kent gave little Clarke the exact same 'You shouldn't use your damn powers' speech (once after he's bullied, again after he saves the bus.)

Now, I actually found 2/3 of those examples entertaining. But editing choices like that really upset the pacing of the movie, and for no real reason. Hence, people calling it 'a mess.'

Also, I have no grudge against shaky cam and fast cuts, but even I had issues with the underwater sequence/team punch-up with Enchantress. That sure was some Olivier Megaton amounts bewildering cutting right there.
 
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Messy structure. The entire "Joker's coming for Harley" plotline goes nowhere and does nothing. Weird problems with tonality -- sometimes it's dark fun and other times it's straight-up unpleasant. The team never really jells enough for me to buy that Diablo has just started thinking of them as his second "family." Problems with focus -- if this is an "Anti-hero Avengers" team-up movie, why is there not more focus on characters other than Deadshot and Harley? Points for doing Batman well in his few scenes. Wish the female characters hadn't been so objectified. Problems with editing -- it seems like there were scenes where something was going on between Harley and Deadshot but they got cut, and its portrayal of what should have been depicted as an abusive relationship between Harley and Joker as somehow real love is... an unsettling creative decision. I can't really tell if Cara Delevigne's performance is mediocre because of her abilities as an actor or because of the limits of the material she was given, but she underwhelms -- points for trying to do something really nifty with the Enchantress's physicality as an embodiment of the character's wild, primal nature. I do wonder what David Ayer's version would have looked like without studio meddling. But, it manages at least to be entertaining (which is more than Batman v. Superman could say for itself) by sheer virtue of Margot Robbie, Will Smith, and Viola Davis carrying this film on their backs, but it never quite reaches the lofty status of "actually good."

Bob Chipman ("MovieBob") called Suicide Squad "the radio edit of a Kid Rock cover of a Iggy Pop track; the feature-length adaptation of a blonde, mullet-sporting ten-year-old shouting 'Worldstar!' from the Chuck-E-Cheese ballpit on Snapchat."

Sounds about right to me.

Final score: C+ for the cast.
 
I'm not very familiar with the comic book characters, just basics, and I really liked the movie. I needed the backstories, so they didn't bother me. I can't wait for the Harley Quinn movie. Her character deserves to be seen again.
 
Messy structure. The entire "Joker's coming for Harley" plotline goes nowhere and does nothing.
The Joker is the wildcard. He screws with the mission at random, and does get a hold of Harley in the end.
Weird problems with tonality -- sometimes it's dark fun and other times it's straight-up unpleasant.
Oh, boo-hoo. :rolleyes:
it seems like there were scenes where something was going on between Harley and Deadshot but they got cut
I never got that impression.
I can't really tell if Cara Delevigne's performance is mediocre because of her abilities as an actor or because of the limits of the material she was given
Her abilities as an actor.
it manages at least to be entertaining (which is more than Batman v. Superman could say for itself) by sheer virtue of Margot Robbie, Will Smith, and Viola Davis carrying this film on their backs
Yep.
but it never quite reaches the lofty status of "actually good."
I had fun watching it, and am looking forward to watching it again. There are almost no superhero movies I can say that of.

That statement betrays a complete failure to understand what an RT score means. A movie with an RT score of 26% does not indicate that it is "half as good" or "twice as bad" as a movie with a 42% score
M.A.C.O. didn't say that it did. He simply said "Certainly nothing in SS was offensive enough to earn 26% on RT."
 
M.A.C.O. didn't say that it did. He simply said "Certainly nothing in SS was offensive enough to earn 26% on RT."
A statement which clearly and unambiguously implies a direct connection between an RT score and a movie's overall perceived worth. Again, that's not what RT scores mean.
 
You're really projecting. He's saying critics didn't like SS, and according to the RT score - CORRECTLY READ - he's right.
 
The US Government gave these cretins crates/duffle bags full of speciality clothing and weapons.

Deadshot got armour, guns and ammunition.

Harley Quinn got a mallet, heels and a revolver.

Captain Boomerang got a dozen razor sharp boomerangs and 4 dozen beer.
 
That reminds me of one thing that bugged me, they never explained Boomerang's pink unicorn.
 
Seems like they wanted something to give him more personality because he was kind of a boring character, but each of them had something to soften their evil side except maybe Killer Croc.
 
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