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Spoilers Suicide Squad - Grading & Discussion

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After three weeks of umming and arring I finally went to see this today too. Yeah not really getting all the (seemingly) poor reviews, I thought it was pretty good fun, enjoyed it and was never bored.

I almost wasn't gonna bother going, only did today as I had literally nothing to do all day. So fuck the critics for making me almost miss it, glad I did now. I'm not one for writing big reviews, but I mean it wasn't perfect and had a fair few flaws, and I might have made a few changes, but there was nothing like terrible or bad about it IMO :shrug:
 
eyeresist said:
The number of poor reviews is perplexing. Butthurt fanboys is one thing, but why would mainstream critics so dislike what is a decent action thriller made fun and memorable by its colourful characters? Were they confused by it not sticking to the standard superhero movie template?
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A lot of the negative press for movies is based on how the reviews are framed. A C+ and an F are completely different grades, but they're both rotten on Rotten Tomatoes. It's easier to use hyperbole when you generalize.
 
eyeresist said:
Forgot to say, I don't think Joker was underused in the movie. Fans may have wanted to see more, but, in terms of structure, his scenes and the way they were placed worked well.
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I thought he was used enough to the make the neccessary impact while still giving enough screen time to everyone else. I also much prefer Harley in this movie as compared to the ditzy bimbo that she was in Assault on Arkahm. I read a few posters here talking about how much better that was than SS and I just don't see it.
 
I finally saw this and enjoyed it for the most part. In fact, considering it is compared to Guardians, I would say I would rank both movies about the same. In both movies, it is the characters and acting that is the real strength. The plot and pacing falls equally short in both. Really, why are the recent DC movies being held to a higher standard than Marvel movies? There have been some really great Marvel movies but there have also been some duds (but enjoyable duds). DC hasn't really reached spectacular levels yet but none of the three DCU movies have been Thor TDW either.
 
theenglish said:
none of the three DCU movies have been Thor TDW either.
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True - The Dark World is actually a good, solid flick. ;)

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Gaith said:
Yes I do, and as the RT audience scores suggest, I speak for the majority there.

All of which are good flicks, and leagues better than MoS/BvS.
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Ick
I wonder if you're as generous with Spider-Man 3 and TASM 2.
Haha
 
Mr Light said:
Aside from the utter waste of a villain, I think Thor 2 is great. Love the new grittier visual look, great humor, more fantasy world less real world, amazing action sequences, great use of Loki....
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Thor 2 is the weakest of MCU IMO (not a bad movie per se) but Loki was amazing in it for sure.
 
theenglish said:
I finally saw this and enjoyed it for the most part. In fact, considering it is compared to Guardians, I would say I would rank both movies about the same. In both movies, it is the characters and acting that is the real strength. The plot and pacing falls equally short in both.
Really, why are the recent DC movies being held to a higher standard than Marvel movies? There have been some really great Marvel movies but there have also been some duds (but enjoyable duds). DC hasn't really reached spectacular levels yet but none of the three DCU movies have been Thor TDW either.
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I really could care less what the critics say. Frankly I wouldn't pay two cents for many of the flicks that they give praise to and judging by the box office returns Im not the only one who feels that way.
 
I agree for the most part, ichab. Professional reviewers have always tended to be critical of genre material in any form. I'm sure if one were to go back and look at original reviews of many now classic films you'd find many negative opinions.
 
theenglish said:
I agree for the most part, ichab. Professional reviewers have always tended to be critical of genre material in any form. I'm sure if one were to go back and look at original reviews of many now classic films you'd find many negative opinions.
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I remember one very negative of Raiders of the Lost Ark. That's when I knew most critics were either nutcases or getting paid for there praise. I have found some online critics recently that seem to share my personal taste. Those are the ones I go to for recommendations of films I normally would not go see. For mainstream films, I'll pay money without thinking for Trek, Star Wars, Superman, Bond and even Transformers because I know what I'll get before the lights go down. And I'll see those movies despite what critics say. But when I want something different, something less mainstream, like Hell or High Water or Inside Llwellyn Davis, I'll go searching for advice from critics who seem to like what I like in that regard. That's when they can be helpful.
 
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who likes Thor: The Dark World. It's not one of the best MCU movie, but I still enjoy it quite a bit.
 
JD said:
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who likes Thor: The Dark World. It's not one of the best MCU movie, but I still enjoy it quite a bit.
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I put TDW as my least favorite Marvel movie, but I still like it. It suffers from some of the same problems Thor 1 had (too much focus on lame human characters and Earth), plus the main villain was probably the worst handled villain in the MCU. But Thor was fine, Loki was great as always and its an entertaining movie.
 
theenglish said:
I agree for the most part, ichab. Professional reviewers have always tended to be critical of genre material in any form. I'm sure if one were to go back and look at original reviews of many now classic films you'd find many negative opinions.
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Oh, that is such bullshit. Guardians of the Galaxy, a sci-fi movie starring a talking raccoon and a tree, wouldn't be sitting at 91% on RT if professional reviewers were critical of genre material. The DCEU films get blasted by critics because they're a mess. There's no conspiracy here.
 
There's also SW: The Force Awakens at 81 and the first Abrams Star Trek movie at 82 on Metacritic. As for Marvel, the first Iron Man has a 79, Avengers a 69, and a 70 for The Winter Soldier. Just to compare we have a 55 for MoS, 44 for BvS, and 40 for SS.
 
Kelthaz said:
Oh, that is such bullshit. Guardians of the Galaxy, a sci-fi movie starring a talking raccoon and a tree, wouldn't be sitting at 91% on RT if professional reviewers were critical of genre material. The DCEU films get blasted by critics because they're a mess. There's no conspiracy here.
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And yet films like Iron Man 2, Age of Ultron, and Spider-Man 3 all get a pass for being overstuffed messes and set up movies. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 did everything Spider-Man 3 and Iron Man 2 did and yet the critics didn't take to kindly to it. Even though, TASM 2 told it's story better than either of the 2 aforementioned films.

I agree BvS was a mess, but I don't see what was confusing or didn't make sense about SS. The film goes on at length at times in expositing who these characters are, what the mission is and why they behave the way they do. Certainly nothing in SS was offensive enough to earn 26% on RT.
 
M.A.C.O. said:
Certainly nothing in SS was offensive enough to earn 26% on RT.
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That statement betrays a complete failure to understand what an RT score means. A movie with an RT score of 26% does not indicate that it is "half as good" or "twice as bad" as a movie with a 42% score; it means that only a quarter of surveyed critics gave it an overall recommendation. A movie 51% critics agree is meh can therefore get a worse RT score than one two-thirds think is meh, but one-third really and totally loves. Got it?
 
M.A.C.O. said:
And yet films like Iron Man 2, Age of Ultron, and Spider-Man 3 all get a pass for being overstuffed messes and set up movies. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 did everything Spider-Man 3 and Iron Man 2 did and yet the critics didn't take to kindly to it. Even though, TASM 2 told it's story better than either of the 2 aforementioned films.
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Reviewers like some genre movies and dislike other genre movies. News at 11. I was refuting theenglish's argument that "Professional reviewers have always tended to be critical of genre material in any form." From your post I can only assume that you agree with me.
 
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