Sure, but if it's Cushman saying it, it's best to ignore it.The source is mostly the 50-year mission Vol1 book...
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Sure, but if it's Cushman saying it, it's best to ignore it.The source is mostly the 50-year mission Vol1 book...
The source is mostly the 50-year mission Vol1 book and everything I've stated can be referenced there with the exception of my personal FF bashing, which is mostly due to my being upset about s2 s1999. If you haven't seen it and if you don't care for S1999 s1, it's irrelevant. FF had a long career. That much I will stipulate.![]()
Correct. In terms of the history of TV production, Trek is the one scifi show where the network wasn't the villain, but the production company. It fascinates me how Trek broke new ground everywhere, not just in front of the camera.
I doubt creating their own shows had anything to do with it. That implies they might have spent similar money and taken similar risk if it was their own creation. History shows us that was not the case.
Credit for season 3 goes to the remaining crew and the cast, not to FF. On Trek he didn't have total control so some of it turned out ok.
Off topic, but what was Cushman's motive for 'writing' the 'Voyages' trilogy?![]()
Freiberger did spoil a lot of things about Space 1999 it's true to say but he did end the show with a great row of episodes! The cerebral first series did degenerate into a rubber monster of the week type of show when he came on board and he did screw up the timeline of the series it has to be said! His tenure on TOS also had it's good and bad moments but he did give us Enterprise Incident, Day of The Dove and The Tholian Web didn't he!
JB
Agree, Kevin Wolff.S1 has bumps here and there but it was never rubber monster of the week. In fact some of the best and most thought-provoking episodes were in the second half. The show was a little British and talky for the American viewers but Gerry wasn't under orders to re-tool or make drastic changes. It was selling well enough to warrant a second series which said a lot since ITC (American distribution) loved UFO at first too and green lit a second series with a bigger budget (which is the only reason why space 1999 exists) until the show got deeper and less action oriented, they reneged. S1999 despite its huge production cost coasted into a second series renewal comparatively speaking. FF didn't like scifi so he changed it into a bad lost in space.
You are correct, I missed that. Thanks for the clarificationAgree, Kevin Wolff.
I believe johnnybear meant the second season arrival "....when he came on board.." of Fred Freiberger, not season one.
Time for some research^^Upon reading that he worked in the porn business, that is enough to convince me what type of individual he is.
Time for some research. But seriously, he is in the book, but most of my quotes from the book were from the production and and story editing perspective. In case I haven't said it already, I highly recommend this book.
No, I'm referring to Star Trek: The Fifty year Mission Vol1 that covers the beginning through ST6. Vol 2 comes out on the 30th in the US and covers TNG to Abramsverse. It covers mostly the production aspect of Trek which is what we are all discussing mostly. It doesn't heavily cover creativity the way "The making of" and other books do.You are talking about Cushman's "These Are The Voyages" books, correct? I've been tempted to buy them, but the bad publicity posted here and elsewhere makes me wary.
Just got promoted! That's lieutenant to you, ensign whomever ( he or she doesn't need to know the junior part)
No, I'm referring to Star Trek: The Fifty year Mission Vol1 that covers the beginning through ST6. Vol 2 comes out on the 30th in the US and covers TNG to Abramsverse. It covers mostly the production aspect of Trek which is what we are all discussing mostly. It doesn't heavily cover creativity the way "The making of" and other books do.
I've read it.Time for some research. But seriously, he is in the book, but most of my quotes from the book were from the production and and story editing perspective. In case I haven't said it already, I highly recommend this book.
Just got promoted! That's lieutenant to you, ensign whomever ( he or she doesn't need to know the junior part)
No, I'm referring to Star Trek: The Fifty year Mission Vol1 that covers the beginning through ST6. Vol 2 comes out on the 30th in the US and covers TNG to Abramsverse. It covers mostly the production aspect of Trek which is what we are all discussing mostly. It doesn't heavily cover creativity the way "The making of" and other books do.
The Name of the Game was a 90-minute drama series revolving around the publishing company Howard Publications, with three rotating stars: Gene Barry, Tony Franciosa and Robert Stack. Bracken's World, set at the fictional Century Studios (wink-wink), featured an ensemble cast and the voice of Warren Stevens as studio boss John Bracken (heard over intercom speakers but not seen). In the show's second season, Bracken became an on-screen character played by Leslie Nielsen.I remember a little bit about those 2 shows. I believe Gene Barry was in 'Brakens World' and Tony Franciosa was in 'Name of the Game'. Other than that....
If I'm not mistaken MI was Desilu orignanally also and part of Paramount's gripe with these expensive shows. Also what I said was that in this case NBC was NOT the villain, villain being a metaphor for the usual antagonist who gets in one's way.I don't think it's fair in general to assume the network is the "villain." Networks don't make their decisions arbitrarily and capriciously. They don't want their shows to fail; they want them to succeed so they can make a profit. But making TV is a very, very expensive thing to do, so even if they love a show, they can't keep making it if it's costing them too much money. Yes, sometimes they make bad decisions that end up hurting their shows, but it's not out of malice, not as a rule, anyway.
Ultimately, most of the time, it's the audience that decides what shows succeed or fail, by whether they watch those shows or not. The reason science fiction has historically had a hard time surviving on television is because, until relatively recently, it was a niche genre, not as popular as mainstream shows, so SF shows tended to get lower ratings. They also tend to be more expensive to make than mainstream shows because of all the special effects and the futuristic/alien/fantasy things that have to be created. (The reason TOS had so many Earth-parallel worlds is because that was the only way to make the show affordable.) Between the greater expense and the smaller audience, it's always been much harder for an SF show to turn a profit than a mainstream show. It's easier now, since SF/fantasy has become more mainstream and digital effects allow doing more elaborate visuals for less money, but for the majority of TV history, SF shows all struggled to survive. Sometimes network execs didn't care for them or understand them or support them well enough, but at other times they did their very best to support genre shows, but those shows still had trouble turning a profit.
Huh? Of course it was the case. After all, Paramount Television was a major production company. It's produced hundreds of different series over the decades. Star Trek was just one of many. Even at the time Desilu was renamed to Paramount Television, it was also producing Mission: Impossible and Mannix, and those shows both continued for years after Star Trek was cancelled. And Paramount Television kept on making more and more shows after that, multiple new pilots and series every season, because that's what TV studios do.
What remaining crew? Coon, Fontana, and Lucas were no longer on staff. Roddenberry was no longer hands-on. Justman left halfway through season 3, and he was responsible for the logistical side of production rather than the creative side. Indeed, a large part of the problem that Freiberger and his story consultant Arthur H. Singer had is that there wasn't really anyone left to show them the ropes and teach them how the series was supposed to work.
And remember what I said -- season 2 was hardly perfect. It had stock TV racial stereotypes passed off as aliens, it (and season 1) had fewer strong female characters than season 3 did, and it had a lot of simplistic villains/threats defeated with violence. So it can't be correct to say that the third season's merits were exclusively due to staffers from former seasons, because there were some things season 3 arguably did better than season 2.
Again, yes, obviously season 3 is worthy of criticism for its concepts and writing. But it did manage to capture ST's values pretty well, and I think it deserves credit for that. Which is a better ending -- defeating an evil hate-mongering energy being by making peace with the enemy and laughing together to drive it off, or defeating an evil fear-generating energy being by drugging the whole crew into a torpor and disintegrating the poor guy who served as its unwitting host? Which is better, defeating alien abductor/torturers by reminding them of their own innate capacity for compassion, or defeating alien abductor/slavers by winning a gladiatorial contest and trusting them to honor the terms of the bet? Season 2 tends to get praised more highly than season 3, and in a lot of ways it deserved that, but in other ways it was often pretty shallow.
I agree completely. I too was bothered by and skipped the Chris Pratt sections. I also skimmed and skipped anyone who was giving an opinion based on hearsay (Rod). I'm really only quoting those that were there for TOS. The book is a mess editing-wise but to me it feels like the most comprehensive account of what really happened so far.What I've skimmed through was a breezy read, but the book does have a few things about that bother me. For one thing, there's no indication of when each quote was given. Roddenberry of the '60s was a very different person than Roddenberry of the '80s. David Gerrold's opinions about Roddenberry changed dramatically following their public falling out over TNG.
I also saw a lot of filler in the book -- I have no idea why an oral history of Star Trek is citing the opinion of Chris Pratt, for example, except that the authors must have been either excited to talk to him, or hoped he'd promote their book on social media. I've already made my opinion of Mr. Cushman's scholarship abundantly clear -- it is error-ridden and prone to outright fabrication -- his inclusion means that I will never buy a new copy of this book.
Finally, the editing left something to be desired. I'm all for balance, but when certain speakers are making claims that are verifiably untrue without correction or commentary (David Gerrold says that Roddenberry never worked as a writer under another producer, for example, which is incredibly wrong) it only continues to foster a behind the scenes mythology that has little relation to the truth.
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