Star Trek Discovery

[OpenMaw]

I've generally been against a return of TNG, as I don't think a new series or theatrical movie would be a good idea. But if the 2017 relaunch works, it would be cool if they produced a one-off TV movie. I imagine the plot would be "getting the band back together one last time", and would probably crossover with a couple of characters from DSC.

I think the problem is... I wouldn't want a TNG reunion to follow on from NEMESIS. I'd want a TNG reunion to be from where we left them at the end of All Good Things. Most people who get nostalgic for The Next Gen cast are remembering them from the TV show. Not the hit-or-miss-but-mostly-miss movies.

I suppose it could be fudged. Set it on the Titan a decade plus change after Nemesis, have the uniforms and look of the "next" era look more bright and optimistic.

I was looking at shots of the Enterprise D earlier, and it made me sad. I'm not a big fan of the look of the D, or her interiors. They've grown on me, because they were with me from a very young age. (I do remember watching BOBW on TV. That was incredible.). But... Looking at the D I couldn't help but feel Roddenberry's spirit. His creative touch adds a certain something to Trek that when I look at the E, or anything that came later, I just don't feel it. TNG(the series), like TOS, felt like home more than the later stuff.

With all that said, if you were going to do a TNG reunion, i'd want the above for the visual and style. I'd want Ron Jones brought back to score it, and i'd want a veteran TNG director. Someone like David Carson, Winrich Kolbe, or Peter Lauritson.

 

[Joel_Kirk]

If the show is good, the "negative crap" will fall away.

If it's bad, then it will justify the negativity.

Either way, there's no obligation on the part of fans to heap unconditional praise on it for fear that CBS will take the ball and go home like this.

The attitude that any Trek is better than no Trek kind of enabled Rick Berman era mediocrity.

This.

 

[Shalashaska]

Shalashaska, I've removed the avatar *again*. Put it up again and I'll remove YOU.

....huh? I'm just out of bed, I didn't even know you removed it.

If it appeared again after you removing it the first time, you probably just didn't remove it properly, because I was sleeping then.

Besides, it's a picture of a guy holding a rock. If it could air on NBC back in the 1960s, I'm sure the kids on here won't be scarred for life

If I was in charge of CBS' Trek programming, after reading all the negative crap from fans online ad nauseam, here's what I'd say: "Let's do one season of Discovery. If they like it, great. If not, we're done. Keep repackaging the old stuff."

The fanboy complaints stop hurting when the money comes rolling in.

Netflix guaranteed a long life for DSC.

 

[cultcross]

Besides, it's a picture of a guy holding a rock. If it could air on NBC back in the 1960s, I'm sure the kids on here won't be scarred for life

The Google masters who control our revenue don't agree, unfortunately.

 

[RJDiogenes]

I do not welcome our Google Overlords.

Maybe the advent of the Holy Google Empire is the event that Bryan Fuller is referring to.

 

[locutus101]

The Google masters who control our revenue don't agree, unfortunately.

As seven would say: "You must comply."

 

[Mr Awe]

If the show is good, the "negative crap" will fall away.

If it's bad, then it will justify the negativity.

Either way, there's no obligation on the part of fans to heap unconditional praise on it for fear that CBS will take the ball and go home like this.

The attitude that any Trek is better than no Trek kind of enabled Rick Berman era mediocrity.

In the end, this is the truth. I'd have preferred a continuation set sometime after Nemesis. However, if the stories are good, I'll be enjoying this series!

Mr Awe

 

[locutus101]

In the end, this is the truth. I'd have preferred a continuation set sometime after Nemesis. However, if the stories are good, I'll be enjoying this series!

Mr Awe

The problem is how do you deal with a continuation? Do you invent new technologies? Do you develop the federation to include parts of other quadrants. With the development of transwarp can spaceships go to other galaxies? Maybe the writers and filmmakers are overwhelmed by all these questions.

 

[Mr Awe]

The problem is how do you deal with a continuation? Do you invent new technologies? Do you develop the federation to include parts of other quadrants. With the development of transwarp can spaceships go to other galaxies? Maybe the writers and filmmakers are overwhelmed by all these questions.

The technology will always serve the plot. Maybe they invent new technology and include more advanced versions of the previous technology. In the end, the other aliens will also have more advanced technology and it would balance out.

I'm don't prefer a continuation because I think the technology would make (or break) the show. Instead, it just gives them more of a blank slate to work with. They could be exploring other quadrants and not tied down to existing continuity.

But, if Discovery's stories are good, I'll be happy!

Mr Awe

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

The problem is how do you deal with a continuation? Do you invent new technologies? Do you develop the federation to include parts of other quadrants. With the development of transwarp can spaceships go to other galaxies? Maybe the writers and filmmakers are overwhelmed by all these questions.

It is a fine line to walk. Too much new (and "magical") technology and people are complaining that it doesn't feel like Trek anymore. Too little new tech and people are complaining that it's the same old same old again.

Technology is like superheroes' superpowers. Too much of it and it actually limits the writers from coming up with credible threats and suspenseful stories.

 

[locutus101]

The technology will always serve the plot. Maybe they invent new technology and include more advanced versions of the previous technology. In the end, the other aliens will also have more advanced technology and it would balance out.

I'm don't prefer a continuation because I think the technology would make (or break) the show. Instead, it just gives them more of a blank slate to work with. They could be exploring other quadrants and not tied down to existing continuity.

But, if Discovery's stories are good, I'll be happy!

Mr Awe

Discovery will have to be less advanced than Enterprise to be believable but not too much since it's only ten years earlier. It doesn't compare with the century that has elapsed since Archer.

 

[Mr Awe]

It is a fine line to walk. Too much new (and "magical") technology and people are complaining that it doesn't feel like Trek anymore. Too little new tech and people are complaining that it's the same old same old again.

Technology is like superheroes' superpowers. Too much of it and it actually limits the writers from coming up with credible threats and suspenseful stories.

Not true. The threats will also have greater powers and the more advanced technology on both sides will cancel each other out. Technology is generally just the window dressing and will always serve the needs of the plot.

Mr Awe

 

[locutus101]

Not true. The threats will also have greater powers and the more advanced technology on both sides will cancel each other out. Technology is generally just the window dressing and will always serve the needs of the plot.

Mr Awe

I wonder how long it will take them to realize that putting plasma conduits behind every console of the bridge is not the smartest thing to do.

 

[Jedi Marso]

It is a fine line to walk. Too much new (and "magical") technology and people are complaining that it doesn't feel like Trek anymore. Too little new tech and people are complaining that it's the same old same old again.

Technology is like superheroes' superpowers. Too much of it and it actually limits the writers from coming up with credible threats and suspenseful stories.

Valid points. My personal preference is to err on the side of lesser tech (earlier eras) because I think it makes for more interesting storytelling and the inability to treknobabble your way out of problems. I know not everyone agrees with that but it's one of the reasons I'm okay with an early TOS setting for the new show.

 

[locutus101]

Valid points. My personal preference is to err on the side of lesser tech (earlier eras) because I think it makes for more interesting storytelling and the inability to treknobabble your way out of problems. I know not everyone agrees with that but it's one of the reasons I'm okay with an early TOS setting for the new show.

You must love DS9 then, since it's the ST series with the least technobabble of them all.

 

[eyeresist]

I wonder how long it will take them to realize that putting plasma conduits behind every console of the bridge is not the smartest thing to do.

Also, storing rubble in the ceiling.

With all that said, if you were going to do a TNG reunion, i'd want the above for the visual and style. I'd want Ron Jones brought back to score it, and i'd want a veteran TNG director. Someone like David Carson, Winrich Kolbe, or Peter Lauritson.

Not gonna happen, sorry.

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

Well, that would be a canon violation - she's already first officer aboard the Enterprise at that time.

I'm not saying I think it is going to be Number One, but I see no violation. "The Cage" was 13 years prior to "The Menagerie" so if we take "10 years before Kirk" literally, then it's a year or two before the time frame of DSC. Number One is a Lieutenant in "The Cage," so being a Lt. Commander would be consistent with a promotion in rank since then. After the Talosian incident where she was outed as having fantasies about Pike, I could potentially see her no longer being comfortable serving aboard the Enterprise and seeking a transfer (thus opening her position up to Spock). She wouldn't necessarily be able to get another XO position right away, although I also can't recall hearing Fuller say anything that would preclude DSC's main character occupying such a position. Again though, not that I'm subscribing to the theory personally at this point.

 

[Belz...]

Hmmm... ten years before Kirk....

Do you think Zekkie got his series made?

 

[OpenMaw]

Not gonna happen, sorry.

Why are you saying sorry? TNG was never my version of Trek anyway. I'm just saying, if they were going to do it, that's what i'd want. I'm not interested in going back to dulls-ville Berman-land.

 

[locutus101]

Why are you saying sorry? TNG was never my version of Trek anyway. I'm just saying, if they were going to do it, that's what i'd want. I'm not interested in going back to dulls-ville Berman-land.

You're a fan of TOS then?