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The Problems with Prequels...

I don't think it's presented as something new or unusual.


Just because it's the first time we ( the audience) see it, doesn't mean it's the first time it's being used in universe

Then they are really stupid to beam wounded to transporter pads, if they can beam them directly to sickbay.

Why would they be that stupid? Lack of protein?
 
Then they are really stupid to beam wounded to transporter pads, if they can beam them directly to sickbay.

Why would they be that stupid? Lack of protein?
Dude, its a TV show. The characters ( actually the writers) make decisions based on the dramatic need of the the story.

Just admit you were wrong about Site to Site transport and move on.
 
Dude, its a TV show. The characters ( actually the writers) make decisions based on the dramatic need of the the story.

What was the point of your intervention if you were gonna say that as soon as I proved you wrong?

The point is that the Andorians couldn't invent in five minutes what took many decades to the federation. Maybe they stole the technology from some civilization more advanced than any known member of the federation, who knows.
 
What was the point of your intervention if you were gonna say that as soon as I proved you wrong?

The point is that the Andorians couldn't invent in five minutes what took many decades to the federation. Maybe they stole the technology from some civilization more advanced than any known member of the federation, who knows.
When was I proved wrong? The question was about the use of site to site transporters. Not the most effective use of them. All I did was point out TOS established the ability was in place prior to TNG. That was your claim right? That it didn't exist before TNG?

Trek is full of ineffective use the technology presented. Usually for the reason I mentioned.

Why can't the Andorians improve on the tech after getting it? In the real world people improve on previous technologies all the time. The Andorians are part of the Federation anyway. Any tech they have pretty much became Federation tech when they joined.
 
When was I proved wrong? The question was about the use of site to site transporters. Not the most effective use of them. All I did was point out TOS established the ability was in place prior to TNG. That was your claim right? That it didn't exist before TNG?

Trek is full of ineffective use the technology presented. Usually for the reason I mentioned.

You didn't give any in universe reason for the objection I presented. If you have wounded and site to site capability then you will use it to beam people directly to sickbay or there is something wrong with you.

So why wouldn't they beam wounded people directly to sickbay? Because they can't.
 
You didn't give any in universe reason for the objection I presented. If you have wounded and site to site capability then you will use it to beam people directly to sickbay or there is something wrong with you.

So why wouldn't they beam wounded people directly to sickbay? Because they can't.
I didn't know I was required to give an in-universe answer to that question. It's not the question I set out to answer.
I'm sure I could make up something. But that's not the tack I take with this stuff. I stick to what's on screen
 
So why wouldn't they beam wounded people directly to sickbay? Because they can't.

:lol:

It is a TV show that they make up as they go. You want to think that it is wrong for someone to use site-to-site transport before TNG, that is your call. But these people weren't trying to make a real universe. They were trying to make a TV show that entertains people.
 
I didn't know I was required to give an in-universe answer to that question. It's not the question I set out to answer.
I'm sure I could make up something. But that's not the tack I take with this stuff. I stick to what's on screen

You haven't given any good reason for why they wouldn't use the site to site if they have it.

Only In universe explanations are valid in such discussions or all discussions are moot. You haven't given such explanation and that's because there is none.
 
:lol:

It is a TV show that they make up as they go. You want to think that it is wrong for someone to use site-to-site transport before TNG, that is your call. But these people weren't trying to make a real universe. They were trying to make a TV show that entertains people.

If you can't play by the rules of the debate then I am not interested in what you have to say.
 
Maybe the characters can't think on their feet? People only think of the most effective way to do something AFTER the situation passes all the time. After after argument or interview, I always think of something clever when it doesn't count anymore. What about athletes who choke in the Olympics? It doesn't mean they CAN'T perform effectively.
 
Seriously, the transporter is flat magic, and does whatever a given story needs it to do.

Speaking of medicine: Why isn't every crew member required to keep a recent DNA sample on file in case they are harmed? So the transporter can beam them back up as good as new.
 
Or maybe the characters can't think on their feet? People only think of the most effective way to do something AFTER the situation passes all the time. After after argument or interview, I always think of something clever when it doesn't count anymore. What about athletes who choke in the Olympics? It doesn't mean they CAN'T perform effectively.

Except that they do that systematically.
 
How many times did we actually see them beam wounded to the transporter room, knowing beforehand that they were wounded, in TOS? I don't know off the top of my head.

We've often seen a multitude of varying conditions that can impede or limit the use of transporters in various ways. Maybe it was just considered safer in those particular moments. Maybe it draws less power. Maybe the person operating the transporter (it wasn't always Scotty) was still getting the hang of certain procedures. Who knows? @Timo would be your go to guy for case by case analysis.

But yes, the real reason is of course "the writer didn't think of it." (Or did and ignored it for dramaturgical reasons.)
 
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