The US didn't exist in 1716.
Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND
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And the Federation doesn't exist now. See how that works?
Although, to be fair, he DEFINITELY wouldn't refer to the navy as "military" since in the 18th century the word "military" referred almost exclusively to land armies and not to sailors.
Yes, and in the Navy pilots are referred to as aviators. They say that in "The Right Stuff".
no it modeled after the Navy by people who served in the military in World War II, the Starfleet is not a military stuff was from TNG onward not TOS.
Starfleet was founded in the 22nd century; none of its founding members fought in World War II (or III for that matter).
And From STID and Star Trek Beyond where Scotty explicitly says it.
So it's a canon, a dead issue. Out of universe: It doesn't just LOOK like the writers don't know how a military really operates; they don't CARE, because Starfleet isn't actually a military in the first place.
By the people who made the show.
Star Trek Beyond, the musical:
that's right the place was empty, undiscovered, not a soul in sight. Whatever it was called the Royal Navy was in charge of the seas right?
I didn't say that, but it wasn't the US.
Naval aviators, if we are going to be technical
Also, don't we have a whole thread on Starfleet and it's military status?
The people who ORGINALLY made the show aren't involved with it anymore (most of them are dead). Various aspects of the Star Trek universe have been fleshed out in more detail since the 1960s, and one of those details is the fact that Starfleet traces its lineage, not to 20th century Earth navies or militaries, but to a NASA-like organization in the 22nd century that was and is non-military in nature.
There are lots of directions the show COULD have gone with a lot of different things. Phasers could have been based on subspace fields; photon torpedoes could be programmable energy bolts with no physical warhead; Starfleet's official name could have been "The United Earth Space Probe Agency" and Earth could have belonged to the "United Space Alliance" (hence "U.S.S." Enterprise). But none of that happened, and the Trekiverse has taken the shape that it has, for better or for worse.
Several, in fact. The conclusion we came to at the time was that the status in the reboot films was somewhat ambiguous, while its status in the TOS movies was implicitly military in nature.Naval aviators, if we are going to be technical
Also, don't we have a whole thread on Starfleet and it's military status?
Of course, Picard made it canon in TNG "Peak Performance" and Scotty made it canonical in STB so it's not really open for debate anymore outside the realm of head canon.
Naval aviators, if we are going to be technical
Also, don't we have a whole thread on Starfleet and it's military status?
It's possible. I don't know my way around much.
What! Canon is fixed in stone?!.... say it aint so.!
I believe it's in the very nature of canon to be "set in stone"...
Until a different scriptwriter comes along.....lol The Star Trek stone is like a sponge
I saw the movie again on Weds, it was my 2nd time. I actually enjoyed it more this time around since I knew what was coming. I liked that there were more character interaction, especially between McCoy and Spock. I felt like he was being edged out of the scene in favor of emphasizing Spock's relationship with Uhura. I felt this was more balanced. I liked how you saw other character interactions. Sulu and Uhura and Chekov and Kirk. And we saw a few other of the crew. What I don't understand is why there was no mention of a holodeck, was it not invented in this time line, that it wasn't until the 24th century and TNG timeline that we had holodecks to for entertainment. On such a long mission (5 years) there has to be ways between shore leaves on planets and starbases to keep the crew from getting on each other's nerves and getting into fights.
Also I don't understand Krall, how did he become an alien? And then being able to suck life forces from people. Wasn't he human? Did I miss something? And I don't understand his problem with people being united in a cause. I just didn't get him. Maybe someone here can give me some insight.
I liked how the crew stuck together and felt Kirk had matured, but I felt that being in the middle of the 5 year mission you'd think he would have found his place in the universe. That his best destiny was as a starship captain. I can understand Spock's uncertainty on what to do with his life. Losing his planet isn't something that you just come to terms with overnight. That he felt he should go to New Vulcan and help efforts on establishing a society. Especially after Ambassador Spock's death.
I am glad the photo showed up to convince him he should be in Space with Kirk and the rest of the Enterprise family. I did like the movie, and if there is a 4th one I hope that Jaylah's character would come back. I liked her alot.
Also I don't understand Krall, how did he become an alien? And then being able to suck life forces from people. Wasn't he human? Did I miss something? And I don't understand his problem with people being united in a cause. I just didn't get him. Maybe someone here can give me some insight.
I liked how the crew stuck together and felt Kirk had matured, but I felt that being in the middle of the 5 year mission you'd think he would have found his place in the universe. That his best destiny was as a starship captain. I can understand Spock's uncertainty on what to do with his life. Losing his planet isn't something that you just come to terms with overnight. That he felt he should go to New Vulcan and help efforts on establishing a society. Especially after Ambassador Spock's death.
I am glad the photo showed up to convince him he should be in Space with Kirk and the rest of the Enterprise family. I did like the movie, and if there is a 4th one I hope that Jaylah's character would come back. I liked her alot.
Just because something is etched in stone doesn't mean you can't change it:
It just means you can't change it on a whim
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