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Music That Speaks To You

Wait...are you actually arguing that there was less misogyny in the past?

I think you may need to increase your sample size of two.

As Maddie and Tae put it, "We used to get a little respect," I have other examples, but I wanted to stay within the rules of the thread. Men still defined women as someone to marry, someone to date, someone to love. Look at the quote again. These things go in cycles. I am not saying that society at-large showed less misogyny in 1992 than in 2016. Hell, Hillary Clinton was a usurper, Lady Macbeth, trying to get Healthcare passed in her husband's Presidency, now she is the first woman nominee of a major political party. But the fact is, in this tiny corner of the world, women--and loving them--showed more deference to the love, then it did to their bodies.

Another example:

http://en.musicplayon.com/play?v=277285

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I don't speak the language, but the voices speak to me. The human voice is one of the greatest of instruments. If you look on YT, you can find a version with subtitles:

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@Mr. Laser Beam, yes, "Love, Me" is one of my favorites of Collin Raye. I remember singing that to the love of my life at one time in my life. I want to put up another that really speaks to me. Raye, a very religious man, is one of my favorite artists of all-time, and he has not been as appreciated as a Garth Brooks or a George Strait or an Alan Jackson.

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This is probably a really cliché choice, but my Mom always loved Israel Ka'ano'i Kamakawiwo'Ole's versions of Somewhere Over the Rainbow and What a Wonderful World, the originals of which were two of her favorite songs growing up and in her teens, respectively. Her love of the Somewhere Over the Rainbow remake was rekindled when it was used during Dr. Mark Greene's death in ER in 2008. When my Mom died suddenly in June, 2010, we played Somewhere Over the Rainbow and What a Wonderful World during her memorial, so the songs obviously hold a special place for me, and it helps that I've always had an appreciation for them (both originals and remakes) as beautiful songs regardless. They strike a perfect balance between melancholy and uplifting that varies depending on your mood, and always give me pleasant memories of my Mom while also making me miss her. This is perhaps a biit of a cheat given the rules in the OP, but I'll post the medley version of the two songs:

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Queen - Who Wants To Live Forever
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Ani Choying Drolma
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Imee Ooi - Heart Sutra
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I agree with @thestrangequark it's time to step away from the morose. We all that one band or artist, the first one we totally fall in love with. It usually happens when we're young. You hear and enjoy all kinds of music but it's this group or artist that really hones your musical taste. For me, it is The Police and Sting.

I still remember to this day the very first time I heard The Police. My family was visiting my Grandmother, my Uncle John who's only 3 years older than me, had this cool crash pad in the unfinished basement of my Grandmother's house. It had a ratty, broken couch with a lime green shag rug. However the most important aspect was his stereo system. He had two turntables, these huge ass speakers that he painted this metallic red. When I went down this day, he was playing The Police. He had recently gotten the Zenyatta Mondatta album and was playing it. I was completely captivated by it and listen to the entire album that day. He also had their Reggatta de Blanc and Outlandos d'Amour and I also listened to them as well. So that day I became a huge Police fan and I have my uncle to thank for it. The Police is still my all time favorite band and of course Sting is my all time favorite Artist. I never got to see The Police in concert during the height of their popularity when Synchronicity came out and they toured. I figured I would get to see them next time, who the hell thought that one of the biggest groups ever would break up after that album. I was fortune enough to see Sting several times in concert and I got to see The Police at Madison Square Garden, their last play date during their reunion tour. It fulfilled a life time dream of seeing The Police in concert.

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You are extrapolating from an overly small sample set.
Yeah...you're going from waaaaaaay too narrow a sample size, @HaventGotALife . Society is calling out misogyny now. Not only was it more misogynistic in the 90s (and more so in the 80s, and more so in the 70s) it was more normalized and accepted. Some things may have been more "polite", but when they were, that was just cover.

And running with that line of thought... it was hard to find female icons in music for me as a kid. There were definitely some (already mentioned Dolly!), but not a lot. I was one of those kids alway bemoaning that I was born in the wrong era when it came to music. The music of the early 90s spoke to me, but I was a preteen. My teen angst period exactly coincided with the death of alt rock, as detailed in this AV Club excellent belated obituary of an article. I didn't listen to anything new in high school: I spent the time delving deeper into classic rock, punk, grunge, and classical. Nothing in the mid to late 90s spoke to me -- I enjoyed it, but it didn't sound like it was saying anything important about my generation. I couldn't identify with the poppy fun Backstreet Boys or Brittney Spears, I loved Wallflowers but they weren't singing my experience, nor was hip-hop. I simply didn't enjoy the sound of most new metal. Too old to teeny bob, too young to rave.

Cheesy as it sounds, Garbage's Version 2.0 with "I Think I'm Paranoid", "When I Grow Up", "You Look So Fine", "Special"...when I heard that album I finally felt like something had been released for me, as a teenage girl. Shirley Manson just tore it up and didn't give a fuck, and I drank her down like alcohol.

It's hard to decide between the angry and righteous energy of "When I Grow Up" and the erotic melancholy of "You Look So Fine" to share now, but I think I'll go with the former:
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Oh fuck it, I'm sharing both. Because this is a beautiful song, and the erotic melancholy I mentioned before just reaches into your soul when you're a teenage girl trying to navigate love and sex and relationships for the first time.

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ETA: SO not lighthearted!
 
If you want lighthearted, here's one. This song was a HUGE part of my childhood - I was like a year old when I first heard it. Charley Pride is my favorite country singer of all time, and I literally grew up listening to him!

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Oh fuck it, I'm sharing both. Because this is a beautiful song, and the erotic melancholy I mentioned before just reaches into your soul when you're a teenage girl trying to navigate love and sex and relationships for the first time.

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ETA: SO not lighthearted!
Did they purposely give that guy a huge bulge?
 
Did they purposely give that guy a huge bulge?
Doesn't look that big to me.


:p


Sorry to be salacious, but you can't pass that up. They probably did though -- the song's a lot deeper than the imagery in the video, but both are pretty obviously sexual. It's why the song resonated with me. It came out when I was 17 (I think). A lot of music is about sex, a lot of it is about discovering sex and sexuality, but almost all of it is from a man's (or boy's) perspective. This was the first time I'd heard a contemporary woman sing overtly about sex in a way I could directly relate to.

This is more to the point I was trying to make, @HaventGotALife , about misogyny being worse in the past and hidden by "politeness". Part of equality is representation. All your love songs are lovely, but love exists independently of gender equality: you don't fix sexism by "men defin[ing] women as someone to date, someone to marry, someone to love." That's the opposite of feminism. It's horrible, actually. It's just candy-coated sexism. It may not look or feel like sexism to you, but that's exactly what it is: it's still defining women by men's standards rather than letting them define themselves as people.

Misogyny is not fixed with love songs and clean lyrics. It is fixed with Shirley Manson spreading her legs wide and singing "Unprotected, God, I'm pregnant, damn the consequences." By Gwen Stefani singing, "So leave a message and I'll call you back", Joan Jett singing, "I don't give a damn about my bad reputation".

By Destiny's Child singing in harmony "say my name".

If you want feminism, from a woman's perspective, "When I Grow Up", "Spiderwebs", "Bad Reputation", "Say My Name". Those are feminist songs.
 
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Oh, and on a delightfully related note, either by chance, or a karaoke DJ with a FUCKING GENIUS sense of humor, when my sis and I last went for karaoke, a couple bros got up and sang "Self Esteem" by Offspring, and beautifully, fucking karmically, were directly followed by a chick singing "Spiderwebs" by No Doubt. It was pretty much the Best Thing Ever.
 
Or "Just a girl".
Totally. And I mentioned "Say My Name", and I just have to share it, because damn, this song. I mean,
1. We covered the feminism -- people give hip-hop, R&B, and rap so much shit for being sexist, but that's just a tiny portion of it, there are some powerful female artists our there. Well, here they are, straight up saying "stop callin' me baby, say my name."
2. Musically. This is just quality. Even if you don't like genre or song, there is no denying that this is the product of skilled and talented musicians. The syncopated rhythms, the harmonies, the delivery of the lyrics. I melt.
3. The video. This video is sharp and it holds up, almost 20 years old.

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ETA Man, I just watched that video through for the first time in years and it gives me chills.
 
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It's not subtle, but it's effective.

And seemingly everywhere throughout the formative years, so it was pretty much guaranteed as a shoo-in.
 
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I'll agree about the Police. A guy I knew at a record store leant me a copy of Outlandos d'Amour one lunchtime, and I went back after work and bought the album. 'Next To You' hit me right between the eyes as a 'moment of change'.
 
This has always been one of my favourite songs and videoclips of all time:

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It always picks me up when i hear it, even if i'm not down...
 
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