Spoilers Suicide Squad - Grading & Discussion
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My friend who lives and breathes comics and superheroes (he manages a comic shop) reckons there's at least two dozen things wrong with it and it's still the best DC movie so far. Mainly due to Robbie as Harley Quinn.
I'm seeing it tomorrow...
I'll see it tomorrow, but it seems like most "fan-level" reviews have been mostly middling.
Brad Jones and Dave both seemed to more or less like it, Dave being the bigger comic-book reader/fan of those on this channel. Dave had more middling feelings on it, but felt the movie was entertaining enough. Brad seemed to like it a bit more, though both admit the movie had flaws. Sarah seemed less impressed. I find myself agreeing with Brad a lot on movies.
Angry Joe seemed to really like it, not getting the movie's overwhelmingly bad reviews.
I think on that front the problem is critics often judge movies on deeper things than just if the movie was fun or entertaining and tend to get into the details a bit too much, story, look of the scenes and shots. directing and so forth. Which for some movies those are worthy things to critique. But when watching a movie that's clearly not meant to be artistic or taken seriously sometimes you just need to sit back and have fun.
Brad Jones and Dave both seemed to more or less like it, Dave being the bigger comic-book reader/fan of those on this channel. Dave had more middling feelings on it, but felt the movie was entertaining enough. Brad seemed to like it a bit more, though both admit the movie had flaws. Sarah seemed less impressed. I find myself agreeing with Brad a lot on movies.
Angry Joe seemed to really like it, not getting the movie's overwhelmingly bad reviews.
I think on that front the problem is critics often judge movies on deeper things than just if the movie was fun or entertaining and tend to get into the details a bit too much, story, look of the scenes and shots. directing and so forth. Which for some movies those are worthy things to critique. But when watching a movie that's clearly not meant to be artistic or taken seriously sometimes you just need to sit back and have fun.
Or grown adults "need" to put away childish things and start demanding art with intellectual, psychological, and sociopolitical depth. Blanket statements like that can be made both ways.
I may not myself watch movies like Hard to be a God, but I appreciate honest popcorn flick reviews from legitimate film critics who do. Both legitimate critics and youtube fanboys have their place, and neither "needs" to be more like the other.
Yeah, that was what I noticed about the Batman v Superman reviews. The popular narrative was all about how the critics were so much harder on the film than the fans, but when I actually read the reviews from both groups, they were largely in agreement about what specific things worked or didn't work. They both agreed that the movie was entertaining to a fair extent but had enormous conceptual and structural flaws, but the fans put more weight on the former while the critics put more weight on the latter.
Maybe both need to be a little more like the other in order to find a middle ground? No one is going into this movie expecting high-art, engrossing characters and deep, heart-wrenching, drama. Last year "The Martian" was a fantastic movie, my most favorite movie of the year and something I rate an A+. This year I highly enjoyed Captain America: Civil War and rate it A+ or A. But that's not to say the movies are equivalent or even similar; I went into each expecting different things, in one case an engaging drama with a fascinating premise and in the other a fun popcorn movie.
But more often than not it seems critics go into ALL movies expecting them to be these masterpieces of art and drama which it's illogical to expect that from every single movie especially one that doesn't present itself as such. There has to be a middle ground and something to account for the discrepancy between critics and audience members.
Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't want to put down my money to go see a film in the theatre that is a "fun popcorn flick" that will entertain me for two hours. For that, I have many options available on my television set and I make really tasty popcorn on my own. When I go to a movie, I want it to be a movie that will move me emotionally and/or intellectually. I want it to be an EXPERIENCE that I will remember and something that I will want to see again with friends or family...something I will discuss over coffee weeks later. I try to go to movies that will do that for me--anything else can be seen on my television set.
Bullshit, that's a straw man argument. Legitimate critics aren't too stuck up to give a positive review to a solid popcorn flick, as the high Metacritic marks for most of the MCU movies clearly demonstrate. Notice how fanboys never complain that critics hold popcorn flicks to too high a standard when they shower them with praise; the only cry foul when said critics call a turn a turd.
Fanboys are likely to have warmer feelings towards junk made for them because it's made for them, and that's fine. What's not fine is suggesting that legitimate critics should grade more favorably because of online fanboys, as it's a form of censorship. So no, both legitimate critics and youtubing fanboys do not "need to be a little more like the other in order to find a middle ground."
Hear, hear. It's not just a straw man, it's ad hominem, so it's two fallacies in one. The fact that someone disagrees with one's opinion does not make it okay to denigrate their motives or intentions, certainly not as a class. It just means different people like different things, as they are perfectly free to do.
I very much enjoyed Suicide Squad. It's not perfect to be sure. Some repetitive scenes, a shaky middle and one of two other things. But I liked a number of the performances, it was entertaining and much better than Batman vs Superman.
I give it a B. I thought that overall it was entertaining and fun. The villains were underdeveloped and really just worked as a plot device. The editing felt a little choppy in places but I wa able to follow the story easily enough. I especially liked Will Smith as Deadshot. I haven't liked Will Smith in a movie for a while so that was a pleasant surprise. Margot Robbie and Jared Leto were also particularly good. It's better than the majority of reviews.
All I want when I go see a movie is to entertained, I'm usually not that concerned with the technical stuff unless it is so extraordinarily good or bad that it effects my ability to enjoy it. I usually save the theater for the big blockbuster spectacle movies, and save the smaller, quieter movies for Netflix at home.
Being a big fan of Arrow and Flash on the CW i just had to see this movie and see what DC would do to Deadshot, Captain Boomerang, & Katana. Plus im a big Will Smith fan.
I was very happy with Deadshot and Katana, Captain Boomerang was ok, but overall i really liked the movie and its a big upgrade from that awful Batman vs Superman.
Beginning of the movie felt like a Batman movie and i just hated that. I understand why he had to be in it and same with the Joker whom i didnt care for either. But just kind of overshadowed everyone else. Would loved to have seen more of Katana backstory and more of June Moone / Enchantress.
Thought the Enchantress and her brother were kinda weak villains, still not sure why June Moone character would just break that doll for no reason. Though when they were on the top of that building working together making bad guys and building that machine with all those cool lights in the sky i told my friends, shit they better call the Avengers.
And each time they showed the building with the sky all light up, people were saying Ghostbusters lol.
Guess they were old Demigods along with El Diablo, whom i thought was just a Firestorm type. Guess i need to read more on them. Would of just liked more back story on what they were, and am i the only one thats not sure what a Meta human is, and getting confused with Meta/Mutant/Inhuman?
If your a comic book movie fan, then you will love this movie and just enjoy it as it is and trust me Margot Robbie alone is worth watching this, that ASS that ASS dam!!!
Still wished DC would of allowed Arrow to have their own Suicide Squad.
I was very happy with Deadshot and Katana, Captain Boomerang was ok, but overall i really liked the movie and its a big upgrade from that awful Batman vs Superman.
Beginning of the movie felt like a Batman movie and i just hated that. I understand why he had to be in it and same with the Joker whom i didnt care for either. But just kind of overshadowed everyone else. Would loved to have seen more of Katana backstory and more of June Moone / Enchantress.
Thought the Enchantress and her brother were kinda weak villains, still not sure why June Moone character would just break that doll for no reason. Though when they were on the top of that building working together making bad guys and building that machine with all those cool lights in the sky i told my friends, shit they better call the Avengers.
And each time they showed the building with the sky all light up, people were saying Ghostbusters lol.
Guess they were old Demigods along with El Diablo, whom i thought was just a Firestorm type. Guess i need to read more on them. Would of just liked more back story on what they were, and am i the only one thats not sure what a Meta human is, and getting confused with Meta/Mutant/Inhuman?
If your a comic book movie fan, then you will love this movie and just enjoy it as it is and trust me Margot Robbie alone is worth watching this, that ASS that ASS dam!!!
Still wished DC would of allowed Arrow to have their own Suicide Squad.
That claim alone makes me not trust you.
Appereantly, according to Jared Leto, a lot of Joker-scenes were cut.
http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/jar...t-of-his-scenes-in-suicide-squad-were-cut-209
http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/jar...t-of-his-scenes-in-suicide-squad-were-cut-209
Awful. Poorly conceived, blandly executed. Everything that is wrong with blockbuster filmmaking all rolled into one tidy package of "Meh." The lost opportunities and bad creative decisions had me practically fuming in my seat.
You can tell a film had difficulties coming together when every other scene seems to have dubbed in dialogue, sound mixing that barely bothered trying to cover it up and a soundtrack that came straight from the studio's box of "stuff we already had the license for."
You can tell a film had difficulties coming together when every other scene seems to have dubbed in dialogue, sound mixing that barely bothered trying to cover it up and a soundtrack that came straight from the studio's box of "stuff we already had the license for."
So why Guardian of the Galaxy has a solid 91% on Rotten Tomatoes? It's perhaps a representative movie of the French New Wave? A deeply emotional Korean film dealing with the struggle of the worker class?
Probably Suicide Squad is just not so good.
Ugh, afraid I have to agree with the critics on this one. The movie just felt completely off to me from the start, and was so dull and clunky and badly edited that I couldn't care or get involved in any of it.
And I wasn't exactly looking for anything great here, just something trashy and fun like, say, the first Expendables or a Crank or a Fast and Furious. But the movie couldn't even rise to that level. And it certainly didn't have anything half as thrilling or well-executed as the action in those movies. In fact it's astounding to me that they could assemble all these cool characters and not give them anything even remotely cool or badass to do. Instead they just walk around some dark streets for a while, shoot some zombies here and there, bicker lamely, and fight a couple witches at the end.
The only thing I thought really worked was Robbie's performance as Harley, and the cool visual effects created for Enchantress. The rest was just completely forgettable. And unlike BvS I can't imagine an extended cut improving things, since there just wasn't much of a story or mission there to begin with.
My grades so far:
MOS A
BVS(UE) B-
SS D
And I wasn't exactly looking for anything great here, just something trashy and fun like, say, the first Expendables or a Crank or a Fast and Furious. But the movie couldn't even rise to that level. And it certainly didn't have anything half as thrilling or well-executed as the action in those movies. In fact it's astounding to me that they could assemble all these cool characters and not give them anything even remotely cool or badass to do. Instead they just walk around some dark streets for a while, shoot some zombies here and there, bicker lamely, and fight a couple witches at the end.
The only thing I thought really worked was Robbie's performance as Harley, and the cool visual effects created for Enchantress. The rest was just completely forgettable. And unlike BvS I can't imagine an extended cut improving things, since there just wasn't much of a story or mission there to begin with.
My grades so far:
MOS A
BVS(UE) B-
SS D
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