Star Trek 2017 will not be set in the JJ-Verse

[Dukhat]

Those who predicted prime tended to be more guarded about their prediction, knowing it could go either way. Most of the predictions that this would be in the JJ-Verse continuity, however, didn't phrase it as a guess. They put it forward as a fact and anyone who disagreed would get a flippant Cumbernope. The attitude was that Prime was played out and anyone who thought otherwise were out-of-touch purists who should just go sit in the corner and leave the Trek franchise for the next generation of fans raised on nuTrek. So I think those people should indeed eat humble-pie.

And the irony here is that if it had turned out that the new show was set in the Abramsverse, I doubt we would have heard a peep out of the OP. Instead we get offered an inane retort of "BOW DOWN AND BE HUMBLE AT MY FEET, FOR I HAVE THE AWESOME POWER OF BEING ABLE TO PREDICT THE FUTURE BY MAKING A GUESS THAT HAS A 50% CHANCE OF BEING RIGHT!"

So that humble pie can be stuck where the sun doesn't shine.

 

[mos6507]

Particularly, since the general audience has no idea there is such a thing as "Prime" and "Kelvin" universes, or that they are somehow different.

Sure they do. They colloquial term for Kelvin-verse is "reboot".

 

[Greg Cox]

Prime Universe = Star Trek
Anything else < Star Trek

Gotta disagree. STAR TREK is too big to be confined to just one timeline.

 

[JWPlatt]

And the irony here is that if it had turned out that the new show was set in the Abramsverse, I doubt we would have heard a peep out of the OP. Instead we get offered an inane retort of "BOW DOWN AND BE HUMBLE AT MY FEET, FOR I HAVE THE AWESOME POWER OF BEING ABLE TO PREDICT THE FUTURE BY MAKING A GUESS THAT HAS A 50% CHANCE OF BEING RIGHT!"

So that humble pie can be stuck where the sun doesn't shine.

Strawman.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Sure they do. They colloquial term for Kelvin-verse is "reboot".

Do the common folk call it that? Or it it just a Star Trek movie?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

In fairness, I've read "reboot" in the popular media as a description of the new film series.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Most ticket buyers and TV watchers won't care one way or the other what fan obsessive universe Trek is set in. They will want to be entertained or this iteration of Trek will die just like the last franchise outing.

 

[Nerys Myk]

In fairness, I've read "reboot" in the popular media as a description of the new film series.

They don't count. They probably use "fleek", too.

 

[Dukhat]

Sure they do. They colloquial term for Kelvin-verse is "reboot".

You mean all those people who bought tickets to the new Star Track movies? Yeah, I'm pretty sure they don't give a shit what universe it's set in.

 

[Mudd]

You mean all those people who bought tickets to the new Star Track movies? Yeah, I'm pretty sure they don't give a shit what universe it's set in.

Almost no one who might watch this series gives a fuck what universe it's set in.

 

[Visitor1982]

CBS minds, cos they know the real money is in the prime universe.

Kaching!

 

[Shalashaska]

Those who predicted prime tended to be more guarded about their prediction, knowing it could go either way. Most of the predictions that this would be in the JJ-Verse continuity, however, didn't phrase it as a guess. They put it forward as a fact and anyone who disagreed would get a flippant Cumbernope. The attitude was that Prime was played out and anyone who thought otherwise were out-of-touch purists who should just go sit in the corner and leave the Trek franchise for the next generation of fans raised on nuTrek. So I think those people should indeed eat humble-pie.

They were trying to compensate for their age, feel young again by calling everyone who was not 100% sure it was Kelvin timeline "out of touch" bigots.

inferring that the fact that the movie is in the nuTrek abramsverse universe may have affected performance is a pretty big assumption.

The irony. A few months ago, the box office performance of the first two JJ films was the sole reason that DSC would be set in the Kelvin timeline.

 

[drt]

CBS minds, cos they know the real money is in the prime universe.

Kaching!

I'd say the real money is in TOS, which is why STD is looking to be adjacent to it.

 

[mos6507]

Nobody knows for sure yet when Discovery takes place. Just as conventional wisdom was wrong on continuity, there's a very good chance that conventional wisdom that Discovery is pre-TOS may be wrong as well. The evidence at present is circumstantial at best.

 

[Mudd]

I'd say the real money is in TOS, which is why STD is looking to be adjacent to it.

Exactly so.

It's why nuTrek uses the TOS version of Star Trek, ignoring all that "Trek should be about moving forward" poohbah that some use as an excuse to justify an attachment to macaroni and cheese.

 

[Tim Walker]

If Star Trek is only Prime, then not only must we disallow JJTrek, but also the Mirror Universe (which first appeared in TOS).

I agree with Greg Cox. Star Trek needn't be confined to the one time line, just as long as the stories are good.

If we were to get yet another time line, I wouldn't reject the show as long as the characters and stories are good-this is what I care about most first, last, and always.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

"Parallels" is not true Star Trek, either. It was a traitorous episode written, produced, and acted in by traitors of Gene's Vision.

 

[mattman8907]

depending if "Discovery" takes place before the 2230s, Discovery events could be in both timelines. Something I have my fingers crossed for.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I have been asked variations of the question "Is Batman going to be in the next in the Avengers?" or "Why isn't Spider-Man in the Justice league?" for as long as I can remember.

"Normal people" can enjoy themselves while still retaining all their glorious ignorance.

 

[jaime]

It's also worth remembering that the most successful Trek was in fact TNG.
Now how that may have been handled badly come movie time, and how that all ended up, balanced out with the 20 year head start TOS had (not to mention the fact that the two are intrinsicly the same thing) might be a different thing to think about..
But it is definitely TNG that had the most success in its time, and a comparable amount of success afterwards (novels continuing after its finish, never ending loops in syndication, conventions to this day....All comparable to TOS...Picard is also a popular cultural icon...) so pretending the only commercial interest is in TOS is inaccurate. The other Treks aren't able touch the big two, but there's a reason the baby gros , pizza cutters, dressing gowns and onesies still pour out in TNG themed stuff as well as TOS.