Never to be seen/heard from/used again
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You wonder why all officers aren't permanently chipped thus. But maybe there's a lingering dislike of having tech inside your body when it doesn't need to be there to save your life. Also, it could be hacked and tracked by enemies or exploited to control you through your brain. (missed story opportunity). Maybe something horribly tragic and memorable (but never spoken of) like this happened and they nixed them.
The transponders were tracking devices implanted in their arms...don't see using them for mind control being much of an issue.
Makes senses thematically, though. It's a show about what humans who resemble us can achieve...not about humans augmented to the point of being alien to us.
And it explores the ethics and technical/physiological dilemmas of doing it. If everyone altered themselves as much as they could, it would be hard to turn back the dial. They're forever living on the edge of a lake and deciding how deep to wade in and when to pull your foot away.
Clearly, integrating tech and genetic modification are seen as things you don't want to do with reckless abandon. The Borg and the Augments are good examples of this taken too far. Everybody's afraid of crossing that threshold.
Clearly, integrating tech and genetic modification are seen as things you don't want to do with reckless abandon. The Borg and the Augments are good examples of this taken too far. Everybody's afraid of crossing that threshold.
The Guardian of Forever. A rather convinient thing never seen again and ripe for abuse, especially in a war time. No, I consider TAS about as canon as a cannon ball.
Those weird snaky lamp-looking things on the Bridge in "The Cage":
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Captain Morgan Batesman.
Riker apparently being able to hear Troi's telepathic voice, or at least sense Troi's thoughts, in that first scene with them in the pilot.
The Constitution-class refit in all spin-off series thus far. We got to se the Excelsior, but why not ever this again? Was it a mass decommishioning?
Those weird snaky lamp-looking things on the Bridge in "The Cage":
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/0x00/thumb_thecage012.jpg
Captain Morgan Batesman.
Riker apparently being able to hear Troi's telepathic voice, or at least sense Troi's thoughts, in that first scene with them in the pilot.
The Constitution-class refit in all spin-off series thus far. We got to se the Excelsior, but why not ever this again? Was it a mass decommishioning?
Part of the problem there is Harlan Ellison being so territorial over it. He sued Pocket Books for using it in a novel, and threatened to sue Abrams over a rumour that it was going to be in Trek XI.
Were there any other novels that used the Guardian of Forever besides A.C. Crispin's 2 Yesterday novels and Imzadi?
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Well, I'm glad the Guardian of Forever was never seen again. I've been developing a new Trek theory and I call it: No V'gers.
Basically, if you write something on any Star Trek film or TV series, there should be no big, or powerful, or life-changing things that copudl easily alter the course of the unvierse or all of humanity and then never see it again, so no Guardian of Forever or V'ger or anything else like that.
Q doesn't count, because it's ben established he's in check from superiors.
Basically, if you write something on any Star Trek film or TV series, there should be no big, or powerful, or life-changing things that copudl easily alter the course of the unvierse or all of humanity and then never see it again, so no Guardian of Forever or V'ger or anything else like that.
Q doesn't count, because it's ben established he's in check from superiors.
Ellison sued over the Crucible novel trilogy from 2006, which now that I think about don't actually feature the Guardian but are a follow-up of City on the Edge of Forever. The particular novel he sued over explores McCoy's life in the alternate timeline where he did save Edith Keeler.
I've read 2 of the Crucible novels (the one for Kirk and the one for McCoy). I haven't finished the one for Spock yet.
I've read that Ellison has been angry about the way his script was used for years. Perhaps changes that were made to it?
I've read that Ellison has been angry about the way his script was used for years. Perhaps changes that were made to it?
The novel Federation deals with the Guardian of Forever in its framing story.
--Alex
That's pretty much it. Ellison wanted Star Trek, a show with an ongoing cast, to use his COTEOF script that way that The Outer Limits or The Twilight Zone would have, with no changes to it whatsoever, and to hell with the consequences to cast, characters, or show.
It wasn't even that changes were made to the Guardian(s) of Forever, so much as it was that he all but demanded that Kirk suffer the consequences of not wanting/being able to let Edith die for the rest of the show, even if it meant writing out a character that was no longer an inspirational or capable leader.
I never heard that before. If that's true, imagine butting heads with Gene Roddenberry? Roddenberry probably hated him back until he died.
From what I remember from reading many of Ellison's first-person-singular essays in the Glass Teat collections and Sleepless Nights on the Procrustean Bed, he came across as not someone I would want to know. Not a bad guy, but very full of himself and angry. Reminds me of an uncle I have, whom I consider a creep. A fine and fascinating writer, though.
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The yellow ore from The Enemy Within. Seems to me that would make a good weapon, you can load it onto torpedoes and make the torps so they blow open but not up, spraying this ore over an entire ship. Or hell just beam it where you want. Anyway you can knock out someone's transporters this way, which might be useful in some situations, and I would hazard a guess it could damage more than just the transporters. But hey you could have an enemy suddenly dealing with evil doppelgangers....
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The yellow ore from The Enemy Within. Seems to me that would make a good weapon, you can load it onto torpedoes and make the torps so they blow open but not up, spraying this ore over an entire ship. Or hell just beam it where you want. Anyway you can knock out someone's transporters this way, which might be useful in some situations, and I would hazard a guess it could damage more than just the transporters. But hey you could have an enemy suddenly dealing with evil doppelgangers....
Pfffft. Ellison butted heads with Frank Sinatra. Gene Roddenberry is small potatoes compared to that.
Yes, the script was heavily re-written by TOS's writers feeling Ellison's version was too expensive and they took issue with "un-heroic Starfleet officers." The last bit always made me scratch my head, the officers in question are no worse than the evil captains or admirals we'd bump into on the show.
Ellison's version was adapted by IDW into a comic book a few years back.
Eillison's version was also recently adopted into an audiobook which is available for purchase as a download. It was crowd-funded, too. I'm not sure what kind of deal was made with CBS/Paramount to get that project done.
But I plan to look at the comic while listening to the audiobook.
Kor
But I plan to look at the comic while listening to the audiobook.
Kor
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