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Why is there resistance to the idea of Starfleet being military?

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I'd like to see the corporation where the kid in the mail room becomes the CEO and no one bats an eye.
A large number of CEOs started off as mail room kids, but their rise usually took a number of years. A better analogy would be an associate becoming a department manager after only a year or two on the job, leapfrogging over considerably more experienced people. That actually happened a couple of times when I worked in retail.
 
During war time the coast guard is considered part of the navy.
The British Coast Guard yes, the American Coast Guard no. The two separate branches work together (Coast Guard crews are praticularly skilled at searching ships for contraband), but the Coast Guard never becomes "part of the Navy."
Starfleet is like the Japanese Self Defense Forces
Bearing in mind that the JSDF is Japan's military. When the JSDF deployed to Iraq, their special force troop's rules of engagement included firing upon insurgents if the conditions of the rules of engagement were met.
During the shows, Starfleet is rarely shown operating in a military function, so many viewers don't associate them as such.
Most of what Starfleet does is in line with what militaries currently do, or have done in centuries past.
When there is a time to explore and check things out, it uses science.
And the science officer doing that science are part of a military rank structure, and all have military ranks.
If NASA was armed AT ALL, let alone as heavily as Starfleet is it would be a serious international indecent to say nothing of a violation of treaty.
As long as NASA's spacecraft weren't armed with nuclear weapons, how would NASA being arm be a violation of any treaty?
We have seen civilian populations in TOS and later Treks. They seem to be unarmed
The very first Star Trek episode aired featured a civilian with a personal weapon (Professor Crater).
feeling that including or mentioning the Earth government or Earth military or security services would unnecessarily confuse the audience
Never understood this, The Cloud Minders (and other) episode included non-Federation local governments.
or how psychologists and doctors can just take a test to take command of a ship's bridge--even in a combat situation
Both the psychologist and the doctor were Lt. Commanders, and the test they took was a qualification test.
Note to mention keeping the same crew together for years because they happen to like working together
Is that why Chekov, Sulu, Riker left?
However, if a uniform, a rank structure, a weapon, an organisation of such define a military (as is argued often as defining starfleet)
It's relavent that the "weapon" are weapons of mass destruction, that are under the release authority of the local ship's captain, or others aboard the ship that he is empower to delegate authority too.
"No money" has been very much embraced by the fans
At best, maybe half the fans.
How many civilian ships have we seen that definitely didn't have weapons?
The status of the heavily armed Orion ship in JTB is unclear, so perhaps civilian.
Canon says starfleet is not miltary, ergo it is not military.
Canon says Starfleet fights major wars with their flying death machines.
First contacts, diplomacy, charting nebulae, studying stars, shipping supplies, evacuations, patrolling...
First contacts, diplomacy, charting coastlines, studying the seas, shipping supplies, evacuations, patrolling...
'Military' implies war, violence
And we've never seen Starfleet fighting wars, engaging in violence?
imperialism etc which I can imagine Starfleet specifically wanting to shy away
In A Taste of Armageddon, the Enterprise' mission was to establish a "treaty port."
Akira, Defiant, Steamrunner, Norway classes etc ... most of them are woefully ill-equipped to fulfill tactical role
Huh?
 
Support officer versus line officers
I don't think it's dumb... but *only* because I assume that Starfleet and Section 31 in the Kelvin timeline (in my mind, the post-First-Contact timeline) had access to the information in Crewman Daniel's quarters. So there are people who *know* that Kirk needs to end up with that ship and crew for the security of the Federation and the galaxy in general - and maybe they aren't picky about how.
That's an interesting idea.
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Support officer versus line officers

That's an interesting idea.
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Wasn't Daniels' database destroyed by the Xinid Cabal in one of the ENT episodes or something? (Of course, who can say how Nero's incursions affected Future Guy's home time? Or how the incursion would affect Daniels' home time, for that matter? For all we know, the Temporal Cold War got screwed up enough that it never really happened, hence Daniels never came back, meaning that there are no records in the first place...)
 
Wasn't Daniels' database destroyed by the Xinid Cabal in one of the ENT episodes or something? (Of course, who can say how Nero's incursions affected Future Guy's home time? Or how the incursion would affect Daniels' home time, for that matter? For all we know, the Temporal Cold War got screwed up enough that it never really happened, hence Daniels never came back, meaning that there are no records in the first place...)
Maybe they took the information from the Narada's databanks in their scans of the ship? Speculation, I know, and personally, it doesn't impact enjoyment of the film. Beyond that, I didn't care for the TCW in ENT at all so perhaps it is best left unacknowledged like it didn't exist.

Perhaps they found records of a "Captain James R. Kirk" and thought this Kirk was the guy ;)
 
The British Coast Guard yes, the American Coast Guard no. The two separate branches work together (Coast Guard crews are praticularly skilled at searching ships for contraband), but the Coast Guard never becomes "part of the Navy."

Incorrect on both counts I'm afraid.

HM Coast Guard is an unarmed uniformed rescue service (the Royal Navy are responsible for all sea-based defense and the Border Patrol handle law-enforcement) so while they will co-ordinate and perhaps train with the armed forces (esp RN & RAF SAR assests) they are never 'part of the Navy'.

On the other hand, the US Coast Guard (while usually 'owned' civilian departments - historically Treasury or Transport, now Homeland Security), was under Executive Order 8929 (Nov 1, 1941) ordered to 'from this date, until further orders, operate as part of the Navy, subject of the orders of the Secretary of the Navy (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=60917) an Order which was not reversed until after WWII and recently Title 14 provides for this on a standing basis (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/14/3)
 
Put it to you this way: how would you handle the unknown risks and rewards of deep space exploration without involving a military element?
 
Wasn't Daniels' database destroyed by the Xinid Cabal in one of the ENT episodes or something?
No. First of all, there is no "Xindi Cabal." You're probably thinking of the Suliban Cabal. But regardless, the Daniels Database was never destroyed, just forgotten, even by Daniels himself.
 
Maybe they took the information from the Narada's databanks in their scans of the ship? Speculation, I know, and personally, it doesn't impact enjoyment of the film. Beyond that, I didn't care for the TCW in ENT at all so perhaps it is best left unacknowledged like it didn't exist.

Okay, although there'd be quite a story behind how civilian Romulan miners got ahold of Starfleet records from the past like that.

Perhaps they found records of a "Captain James R. Kirk" and thought this Kirk was the guy ;)

I've noticed that nine times out of ten, novels like to explain the reason that Mitchell gave Kirk the middle initial "R" was some kind of morbid joke. (Since it's hard to notice unless you look for it, I tend to gloss over this one personally). The most creative explanation was in Peter David's TNG novel Q-Squared, which suggested that "Where No Man Has Gone Before" took place in a parallel universe where Kirk's middle initial was indeed "R." (That doesn't quite fly with "By Any Other Name" [TOS], when Kirk briefly mentions that they visited the galactic barrier before, but whatever.)

No. First of all, there is no "Xindi Cabal." You're probably thinking of the Suliban Cabal. But regardless, the Daniels Database was never destroyed, just forgotten, even by Daniels himself.

Thanks, I did mean the Suliban Cabal. However, I remember in one of the shows (a season ender), that the Cabal captured Enterprise and Archer was trapped in the future with Daniels. At one point, I was sure that Reed tricked the Suliban into destroying something of Daniels (or the Suliban destroyed something of Daniels that the crew wanted to keep). What am I thinking of, if it wasn't Daniels' database?
 
I'd say the nature of Starfleet's mission, their priorities, and the ramifications of their actions.

Exploration would be severely curtailed, but the rest of the "normal" responsibilities of a starship would be similar.

He said it would be definitely military, but didn't say it would be wartime. I'm not sure why a "military Starfleet" in peacetime would necessarily have different missions than the Starfleet we have seen?

I would also ask those who object to Starfleet being considered a military organization: Do they consider the United States Navy in the 1800s a military organization? Here is a sample of some things the USN was doing in the two decades before the Civil War:

  • 1838-1842, Lt. C. Wilkes, Peacock, Vincennes, Porpoise. Surveying and exploring the west coast of North American and Pacific islands.
  • 1848, Cdr. W. Lynch, unnamed boats. Explored the river Jordan and the surveyed the Dead Sea.
  • 1849-1852, Lt. J. Gilliss. Made an expedition to Chile to make astronomical observations.
  • 1850-1851, Lt. E. De Haven, Advance, Rescue. Searched for the Franklin Arctic expedition.
  • 1850-1851, Lt. W. Herndon and Lt. L. Gibbon. Explored the Amazon river.
  • 1852-1855, Cdr. C. Ringgold, Lt. J. Rodgers, Porpoise, Vincennes, John Hancock. Surveyed and explored the China seas, Bering Strait, and North Pacific ocean.
  • 1852-1856, Lt. T. Page, Water Witch. Explored and surveyed South America's Rio de la Plata river system.
  • 1853, Lt. Henry J. Hartstene, Release, Arctic, Searched for Franklin Arctic expedition.
  • 1856, Lt. O. Berryman, Arctic. Sounded the Atlantic for a possible transatlantic cable.
  • 1857-1858, Lt. T. Craven, Varina (Coast Survey vessel). Surveyed the Isthmus of Panama for possible canal route.
And that's just the small USN. The Royal Navy had even more going on.

The British
Coast Guard yes, the American Coast Guard no. The two separate branches work together (Coast Guard crews are praticularly skilled at searching ships for contraband), but the Coast Guard never becomes "part of the Navy."

It is not completely "absorbed" into the Navy, that is, USCG personnel don't become Navy personnel and USCG vessels remain USCG vessels, but operationally it is completely controlled by the Navy as Shamrock Holmes has pointed out. This goes back to the original legislation establishing the Coast Guard:

[T]he Coast Guard, which shall constitute a part of the military forces of the United States and which shall operate under the Treasury Department in time of peace and operate as a part of the Navy, subject to the orders of the Secretary of the Navy, in time of war or when the President shall so direct .
--Public Law 239, 63rd Congress, 1915.​

In WW2 the Coast Guard's status was similar to the USMC, a separate service under the Navy Department, but the USCG Commandant (Admiral Waesche) was directly under the Navy's COMINCH-CNO (Admiral King):

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--Julius Furer, Administration of the Navy Department in World War II, GPO 1960.​
 
Thanks, I did mean the Suliban Cabal. However, I remember in one of the shows (a season ender), that the Cabal captured Enterprise and Archer was trapped in the future with Daniels. At one point, I was sure that Reed tricked the Suliban into destroying something of Daniels (or the Suliban destroyed something of Daniels that the crew wanted to keep). What am I thinking of, if it wasn't Daniels' database?
Don't know, the episode didn't elaborate on that. That episode was Shockwave, the season 1 finale and season 2 premiere. The Daniels Database was used in again in Future Tense, in the middle of season 2, so that clearly wasn't what was destroyed.
 
Wow, some of you guys back up this argument (military) better than I could ever dream of.

Really, I think it's that Star Trek fans and writers don't like the word "military". Which is the actual topic.

Maybe it's because Fans and the (Current) Writers never met a military they liked?
 
Wow, some of you guys back up this argument (military) better than I could ever dream of.
To be fair, that's not hard, considering the only real argument against Starfleet being a military stems from "because Gene said so."

Gene also said humans don't practice religious beliefs in the future, but even TNG, the series where he established that eventually ignored him.
 
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