Star Trek TMP era Animated 3D VR Series in production!

[urbandefault]

Defiantly independent artist or not, I think this should go in the Fan Art or Fan Film forum. But that's just me.

I looked at the video, and it's nicely done. Congrats for that.

But I don't get the "spitting in the eye of The Man" stuff. Trying to attract attention in this era of the Axanar lawsuit and CBS guidelines for fan films? Tread lightly, good buddy. You don't want a friendly phone call from CBS legal.

At least I wouldn't.

 

[3D-Freemason]

The adventure is just ending…

 

[3D-Freemason]

If you are unsure, try contacting one of the fan productions, like Star Trek: Continues (startrekcontinues.com) and I'm sure they'll be able to help you or point you to somebody who can clarify. CBS has been known to play some ball, too, with people who play ball. A lot of ball playing!



You stated earlier in the thread you made almost $200.

And what is your point? Over 2 years in the works and 37 minutes of highly produced multi-character CGI in 3D, $200.00 is FAR FAR LESS than 'Nothing'! Insulting actually, Interchangeable terms: $200.00 = NOTHING.
Besides, 'MAKING MONEY' as I put it, implies PROFIT, you REALLY think a functioning Home CGI Studio can't spend $200.00 on equipment in 2 years? (Making it an EXPENSE against the $200.00) THAT IS A KEYBOARD and a WACOM PEN! = $200.00


The adventure is just ending…

 

[3D-Freemason]

Defiantly independent artist or not, I think this should go in the Fan Art or Fan Film forum. But that's just me.

I looked at the video, and it's nicely done. Congrats for that.

But I don't get the "spitting in the eye of The Man" stuff. Trying to attract attention in this era of the Axanar lawsuit and CBS guidelines for fan films? Tread lightly, good buddy. You don't want a friendly phone call from CBS legal.

At least I wouldn't.

First compliment on the actual WORK, I have Ever Received at this site.
THANK YOU!
I appreciate your advice, (and especially your demeanor) but,. if they want to sue a disabled cancer survivor who made the first half of 'Beyond Antares' in a hospital bed, to perhaps recoup my GIANT sum of $200.00,over 2 years,.. well,..they can't get blood from a stone. Someone has to test the limits and make something great for purely Arts sake, if they stop THAT then they have indeed gone too far.


The adventure is just ending…

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Moving thread now to Fan Productions.

 

[Nightowl1701]

"I have 18 45-minute long complete episodes edited in Audio form with sound effects , music, comedic timing, just like Beyond Antares (but each get better than the last especially the TRELANE episode, the Harry Mudd episode(s) and the 2-part, 2-hour KLINGON episode) just waiting for my Visuals"

I don't know if this'll be any consolation, but a CBS representative interviewed about the guidelines said, among other things, that the guidelines don't apply to fan-made audio dramas. If all you're missing are the visuals, you can do what the BBC did with the surviving audio tracks of missing 1960's episodes of Doctor Who - have a narrator (they used former Companions) verbally fill in the missing imagery in between lines of dialogue. You can easily fill that role yourself, and put your episodes out that way.

 

[3D-Freemason]

Moving thread now to Fan Productions.

Thank you, I would if I knew how!

 

[3D-Freemason]

"I have 18 45-minute long complete episodes edited in Audio form with sound effects , music, comedic timing, just like Beyond Antares (but each get better than the last especially the TRELANE episode, the Harry Mudd episode(s) and the 2-part, 2-hour KLINGON episode) just waiting for my Visuals"

I don't know if this'll be any consolation, but a CBS representative interviewed about the guidelines said, among other things, that the guidelines don't apply to fan-made audio dramas. If all you're missing are the visuals, you can do what the BBC did with the surviving audio tracks of missing 1960's episodes of Doctor Who - have a narrator (they used former Companions) verbally fill in the missing imagery in between lines of dialogue. You can easily fill that role yourself, and put your episodes out that way.

Well, I appreciate the idea, its pretty creative, maybe I could even get away with accompanying STILLS.. but but I am an Animator, audio editing is sideline. Music creation is sideline .... Like in all things, Someone has to test the limits with a quality project made purely for Arts sake. So I am an Animation Test Pilot (not the first time) - Here to test the boundaries of a broken controlled Life and Soul sucking System that allows the already Rich and Powerful to dictate even the creative OUTPUT of the little people. This Is Bigger than Fan Films. This is METROPOLIS come to life! This is Big Brother except instead of politicians over proletarians they are STUDIO HEADS dictating creative limitations. If they are willing stand in the way of Pure Art for Arts sake, we should know that. They should know that about themselves.
This whole situation doesn't sound at ALL like Abrams clear intentions during the announcement that 'the lawsuit and lawyers are going away fans will be free to make their productions': http://fff.trekbloggers.com/2016/05...rms-settlement-discussions-in-axanar-lawsuit/

I quote: “fans will be able to work on their projects.”

Well I can't work on MY PROJECT! I am being punished for having the biggest most canon idea.

 

[Danlav05]

These animations are great, it is wonderful to see brand new adventures with the old crew, especially given most are gone.

This is their legacy.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Well, I appreciate the idea, its pretty creative, maybe I could even get away with accompanying STILLS.. but but I am an Animator, audio editing is sideline. Music creation is sideline .... Like in all things, Someone has to test the limits with a quality project made purely for Arts sake. So I am an Animation Test Pilot (not the first time) - Here to test the boundaries of a broken controlled Life and Soul sucking System that allows the already Rich and Powerful to dictate even the creative OUTPUT of the little people. This Is Bigger than Fan Films. This is METROPOLIS come to life! This is Big Brother except instead of politicians over proletarians they are STUDIO HEADS dictating creative limitations. If they are willing stand in the way of Pure Art for Arts sake, we should know that. They should know that about themselves.
This whole situation doesn't sound at ALL like Abrams clear intentions during the announcement that 'the lawsuit and lawyers are going away fans will be free to make their productions': http://fff.trekbloggers.com/2016/05...rms-settlement-discussions-in-axanar-lawsuit/

I quote: “fans will be able to work on their projects.”

Well I can't work on MY PROJECT! I am being punished for having the biggest most canon idea.

Maybe it's time to work on your own content, your own IP. I see you have a lot of dedication to this. What would happen if you spent it developing your own original content. It would be all yours, your art with sole ownership over it. You would be free to do anything you wanted, and no one could tell you otherwise.

Remember: the same copyright laws that give CBS the right to enforce their ownership would apply to your original work.

 

[Kor]

Abrams is a gun for hire, to work on the new movies. He does not represent the CBS or Paramount legal departments, and his statement was rather vague.

According to that linked article, concurrent with Abrams' statement, CBS provided a little more clarification by tweeting "We’re pleased to confirm we are in settlement discussions and are also working on a set of fan film guidelines."

And then we actually got those official guidelines, which have already been debated and discussed to death on this BBS and plenty of other forums and websites. Certain fan film "producers" had tried to take advantage of the somewhat nebulous atmosphere that previously existed, but it got to the point that the IP holder had to take a more specific official stance, which they were well within their rights to do. For better or worse, this affects producers of all Star Trek fan films, both big and small.

But for the creative person who chooses to use somebody else's copyrighted intellectual property without authorization, it is only reasonable to maintain a sense of awareness of potential legal issues, along with a willingness to "play ball" with the IP holder.

As has been stated numerous times in other threads, CBS/Paramount has been quite gracious with these guidelines. There are some IP holders who do not tolerate fan fiction/films/etc. of any kind whatsoever.

Kor

 

[wtriker1701]

This sounds very familiar, in Fan Productions thread not so long, long ago...:

"Train them how to use it" .. Use what? My 25 years of skill and talent at making NEW AUDIO from OLD? Perhaps you could clone my brain and put it into a body you have 'heard of', throw away MY body... then be happy? Not sure what you think I was doing, but I clearly said it is a Visual PROOF of CONCEPT created on a single desktop computer, to show the possibilities with the AUDIO, With funding and proper equipment this could look better than ANYTHING CBS would do. (and you know it). TREKBBS: 'Taking the Fan out of Fan FIlm for 25 years!' ugh. Every time I come to a place like this I am 100% over the whole idea and it takes forever to get back into it. Why are people such **** and *** ** and also ** ** * ** * ****!?!?

 

[tharpdevenport]

And what is your point? Over 2 years in the works and 37 minutes of highly produced multi-character CGI in 3D, $200.00 is FAR FAR LESS than 'Nothing'! Insulting actually, Interchangeable terms: $200.00 = NOTHING.
Besides, 'MAKING MONEY' as I put it, implies PROFIT, you REALLY think a functioning Home CGI Studio can't spend $200.00 on equipment in 2 years? (Making it an EXPENSE against the $200.00) THAT IS A KEYBOARD and a WACOM PEN! = $200.00


The adventure is just ending…

You're not getting it because you chose not to. It doesn't matter how you view about $200 or $5 or any other amount, the fact is how the intellectual property views it in their rights and the confines of the law. You made a profit and put it into your own stuff and still seem to want to just do what ever you want and nuts to CBS, who can be very ncie about this thing if you were.

You're not only going down a very bad road, you're going down one you don't have to go down, and we're trying to help you. How many of us wish somebody had warned us in advance of doing something stupid or foolish or unlawful in advance when we didn't know better?

The link already given to the rules defines how much money you can raise and what for.

 

[3D-Freemason]

You're not getting it because you chose not to. It doesn't matter how you view about $200 or $5 or any other amount, the fact is how the intellectual property views it in their rights and the confines of the law. You made a profit and put it into your own stuff and still seem to want to just do what ever you want and nuts to CBS, who can be very ncie about this thing if you were.

You're not only going down a very bad road, you're going down one you don't have to go down, and we're trying to help you. How many of us wish somebody had warned us in advance of doing something stupid or foolish or unlawful in advance when we didn't know better?

The link already given to the rules defines how much money you can raise and what for.

No, you aren't 'getting it',... $200.00 over 2 long years, applied to a home studio with $10,000+ of hardware I paid for is NOT A PROFIT, it is a droplet in an Ocean of Expense.
Crowd funding for expense has never been the same as Profit in any way shape or form, (well until Axanar...) especially if they are random donation outside of any campaign, which I have not Yet run!

'I want my pain, I Need my pain...

Maybe I Want to be a martyr. Maybe they should be seen to run roughshod over a Single Artist working in his bedroom to help beat cancer,.. Thats a good story. Take away thesomething cancer boy csrescabout,..

Why are you so apparently gleeful about losing 18 episodes of As Close to Real TOS As We Will Ever See Again in 3D... IN Friggin VIRTUAL REALITY,.

I'll will make them, even if only I can enter and watch them in my old age homes' communal Holodeck!

Anyways,, It turns out my 'rebellious attitude' (what used to be called ART...) is perfectly in keeping.
the writer who wrote those big articles about me and my project
(
axanarproductions.com/fan-film-friday-star-trek-beyond-antares-part-1/
axanarproductions.com/fan-film-friday-star-trek-beyond-antares-part-2/
)
has been Up in Arms working to Rescind the (as he put it): Draconian Guidelines,.
I have said all I care to on the matter. I WILL be finishing Part 3 of Beyond Antares and I will be continuing on my Mission as stated.
Now... check out these links by Jonathan Lane my interviewer extraordinaire,

if ye nervous nellies dare...!

http://fanfilmfactor.com/category/blog-entries/editorials/
and
https://www.facebook.com/groups/smallaccess/files/

THERE IS MUCH REASON FOR HOPE! (Thank you for the many messages / conversations of support! You know who you are!)

 

[Professor Zoom]

No, you aren't 'getting it',... $200.00 over 2 long years, applied to a home studio with $10,000+ of hardware I paid for is NOT A PROFIT, it is a droplet in an Ocean of Expense.
Crowd funding for expense has never been the same Profit in any way shape or form, well until Axanar.. especially if they are random donation outside of any campaign, which I have not Yet run!

'I want my pain, I Need my pain...

Maybe I Want to be a martyr. Maybe they should be seen to run roughshod over a Single Artist working in his bedroom to help beat cancer,.. Thats a good story. Take away thesomething cancer boy csrescabout,..

Why are you so apparently gleeful about losing 18 episodes of As Close to Real TOS As We Will Ever See Again in 3D... IN Friggin VIRTUAL REALITY,.

I'll will make them, even if only I can enter and watch them in my old age homes' communal Holodeck!

Anyways,, It turns out my 'rebellious attitude' (what used to be called ART...) is perfectly in keeping.
the writer who wrote those big articles about me and my project
(
axanarproductions.com/fan-film-friday-star-trek-beyond-antares-part-1/
axanarproductions.com/fan-film-friday-star-trek-beyond-antares-part-2/
)
has been Up in Arms working to Rescind the (as he put it): Draconian Guidelines,.
I have said all I care to on the matter. I WILL be finishing Part 3 of Beyond Antares and I will be continuing on my Mission as stated.
Now... check out these links by Jonathan Lane my interviewer extraordinaire,

if ye nervous nellies dare...!

http://fanfilmfactor.com/category/blog-entries/editorials/
and
https://www.facebook.com/groups/smallaccess/files/

THERE IS MUCH REASON FOR HOPE! (Thank you for the many messages / conversations of support! You know who you are!)

1. Profit has nothing to do with copyright violation.
2. You are accepting funds for someone else's IP. That is a financial gain. Yes, you are operating at a loss...But, again, that's not important regarding copyright violation.
3. If it's about the art, why does the money matter to you? Why are you basing your success or not on how much money you have raised through kickstarter?
4. In the end, since you aren't selling march (like Axanar), paying yourself (like Axanar), or building a for profit studio off the backs of donors (like Axanar), CBS and Paramount probably don't care what you do. Unless, of course, you grossly cross the lines of the guidelines.
5. In the end, I don't think you care that you are violating someone else's IP.

 

[wtriker1701]

Just to be clear, 3D-Freemason/Robert E.:
No one here would want to stop you from fulfilling your (or any other's) dream!

Do what you are able to, given your medical condition (which is very sad and you've been shown much empathy in another thread here in Fan Productions), and put those treasures out for the world to see.
We wish you all the luck for your endeavour - and if we will be able to watch those in the future - WIN/WIN for everybody!

It has just been pointed out, which dangers might be there along the way, nothing more.

And don't be disappointed, if your crowdfunding falls short because of Axanar having spoiled the waters and grounds for fan film making. The times have changed due to some greedy producer and it won't be easier for you now to get financial backup.

But if you're that determined, you'll find a way - because there's always a way.

I would love you finishing those episodes in 2D/3D/whatever - but I won't back you financially.

And I sincerely hope, you'll beat this damn beast called Cancer, that's for sure!!!

 

[OpenMaw]

You have been warned by reasonable, well spoken members of this community, sir. Nobody besmirches you for trying, and I think most would say it sounds like an awesome idea and would love to see it...And, as a fellow creator of animation I wish you well...

...But, you are being very very foolish to ignore what has been said here.

It does not matter if the 200 dollars dissappears into debt. The fact is, you used STAR TREK to get 200 dollars and used that in a way to profit. You buy yourself a tablet and a keyboard... Well that's not just for this project is it? That's literally helping you build up your hardware base. Which is a big no-no. Those are not "Charitable donations." That's 200 dollars you basically pocketed.

Anyone who creates a fan production using Star Trek is doing so only so long as the actual IP holders tolerate it, and that has always been the case. Always.

You can thank Alec Peters for the so-called "Draconian" (They are no such thing) guidelines. And speaking as someone who is a BIG time fan of other large science fiction franchises who has suffered the "wrath" of other IP holders who were far more stringent with what they allowed, I find that damn insulting. Try making an Alien fan film. (You'll find the few that flew under the radar are very humble, and most either don't exist online in wide spread form or were crushed by Fox's lawyers mid production.) Or the long standing Star Wars guidelines which are even tighter on fan productions than the ones we received from CBS. Please. Please tell me just how horrible the CBS guidelines are after you digest all of that for what it truly means.

Again, you can thank Alec Peters for the reality of this situation. He demanded official guidelines from CBS. Demanded over and over. Well, he's got them now, and so do all the other fan productions. I sure hope those sweet cups Axanar Coffee are worth every unauthorized penny that were spent on them.

 

[Danlav05]

I's a pity Axanar has brought us to this but if you wish to continue then no one here can stop you haha - 18 full length adventures with the original crew as well as Klingons, Trelane, Mudd etc sound amazing. Didn't you say you also had Secret of Vulcan Fury dialogue, if so how?!

I loved Beyond Antares it felt like the old gang were back togheter in a fresh new way. It's a pity CBS didn't use all the dialogue from the games years ago to create new adventures for either a continuation of TAS or smething for Netflix - TNG's A Final Unity could have been a DTV movie it had a similar format.

You think we're done with the original crew - certainly not - these adventures are certainly out there and waiting to be told

 

[3D-Freemason]

Just to be clear, 3D-Freemason/Robert E.:
No one here would want to stop you from fulfilling your (or any other's) dream!

Do what you are able to, given your medical condition (which is very sad and you've been shown much empathy in another thread here in Fan Productions), and put those treasures out for the world to see.
We wish you all the luck for your endeavour - and if we will be able to watch those in the future - WIN/WIN for everybody!

It has just been pointed out, which dangers might be there along the way, nothing more.

And don't be disappointed, if your crowdfunding falls short because of Axanar having spoiled the waters and grounds for fan film making. The times have changed due to some greedy producer and it won't be easier for you now to get financial backup.

But if you're that determined, you'll find a way - because there's always a way.

I would love you finishing those episodes in 2D/3D/whatever - but I won't back you financially.

And I sincerely hope, you'll beat this damn beast called Cancer, that's for sure!!!

Fair enough,.. and Thank you! with a plant based diet, i'm well on my back on the road towards some semblance of normalcy...
Not all have been nearly as nice about Any of it at as you.. and since there's no reason Not to be nice,,, I react,
(also as an Artist.) I consider it my sacred duty to reflect people and their attitudes subtle or otherwise, honestly, however uncomfortable it may be for rigid types who can't begin to see their own culpability in problems that arise.
You seem more like a problem solver, manager of people type and I react to that type of person, well,.. like this..
There was a tone started by the original poster, few are being honest about. I would never be so rude and short with someone who had made so much, for me, essentially for free. The guys was enjoying being a jerk and nothing in the world can convince me otherwise. He's wearing a Trek shirt for Gods säke,.. I would never,. I love the message and philosophy of trek. not playing in a sandbox.

Thank you for your kind words, my ire is not directed at reasonable people.

 

[YJAGG]

Again I think this opens up even greater opportunities - solo adventures, pre-TOS stories. I feel most of the folks here are getting hung up on the animation and ignoring the big picture.