Star Trek Discovery

[fireproof78]

That's BS. I hated the Enterprise-D when I first saw it. Was completely underwhelmed by all of DS9 at first. Hated the Defiant at first. All grew on me, and I consider all pretty great.

Mostly this reaction for me. I still do not care for the ENT-D and have yet to find an angle that makes it look even ok to my eyes. I think the Defiant makes little sense in the world of Trek and how powerful it is is rather annoying at times.

That being said, if the characters of the show are solid, then it matters little what the ship looks like to me.

The things that grow on you do not initially provoke a vomit reaction.


Based on this I'd say it's pretty obvious you did care.

I never saw the vitriol from "idiots" that you imagine you saw. I did see people pointing out that using the Nu universe would make commercial sense (reasonable), and that there was no evidence of a return to Prime (true until Word of God from Fuller).

And I never Noped nobody!

I thoroughly grinned at this

 

[FreddyE]

Okay....its NOT a final locked down design at all it seems:

http://trekmovie.com/2016/07/24/exc...overy-producers-on-ships-design-shows-themes/

When Trekmovie.com asked Kadin if the teaser for Star Trek: Discovery featured the final design of the ship, music, and logo, she laughed and said “NO! I was surprised Bryan didn’t say that, actually. I mean, we had three weeks to throw that together. We wanted to show fans…we’re super-excited by the score that this amazing composer, Fil Eisler, threw together as an audition and he did an incredible job. The concepts of the ship are totally what we’re going for and they’ll be honed up until, I think, the day we deliver.”

 

[Brainsucker]

Maybe the USS Discovery is never suppose to be the best ship in the fleet. That's why they make it like a work horse more than the super duper elite star ship like the Enterprise.

 

[The Lensman]

DSC teaser with a different theme - now I like it even more

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[matthunter]

Okay....its NOT a final locked down design at all it seems:

http://trekmovie.com/2016/07/24/exc...overy-producers-on-ships-design-shows-themes/

When Trekmovie.com asked Kadin if the teaser for Star Trek: Discovery featured the final design of the ship, music, and logo, she laughed and said “NO! I was surprised Bryan didn’t say that, actually. I mean, we had three weeks to throw that together. We wanted to show fans…we’re super-excited by the score that this amazing composer, Fil Eisler, threw together as an audition and he did an incredible job. The concepts of the ship are totally what we’re going for and they’ll be honed up until, I think, the day we deliver.”

Yes, that's about the fifth time someone has posted that quote in this thread, thanks.

 

[Ensign_Redshirt]

Haven't read all the 30 pages here... but has anyone noticed that the opening shot of the trailer with the sun, planet, asteroid/moon all lined up was basically taken from 2001: A Space Odyssey?


Plus, the ship is called Discovery!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_One

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Correct, which is why I chose the wording "an approximation of objectivity"

Consider the sense of smell in humans. Virtually all human beings find the smell of manure repellent. Is it therefore an objective truth that manure smells bad? No, not in the truest sense? There might be a smattering of humanity that actually, through some twisted quirk of their wiring enjoys the smell of manure. Maybe they got the wiring of a dung beetle somehow.


But if the scale of consensus is so vast, do we really need to qualify the statement that manure smells bad to human beings is not an objective truth? I say no, because the consensus is so widespread that it can be taken to be a closer approximation to an objective truth, not REALLY objective, but functions just the same in actual raw numbers.


The question then becomes, is there anything in the world of aesthetic taste that has that kind of universal agreement? Usually no, it's REALLY hard to get strong consensus of things like beauty, that's why you see people buy fiat multiplas and nissan leafs, or worse, people that think Jackson Pollock paintings are beautiful and meaningful (that's right, I went there). But every once in awhile, there is a work or art, a piece of music, a ship design that is so universally reviled that it actually strikes a discord against the taste preferences of the bulk of humanity. And this ship comes damn close.

This ship comes absolutely nowhere near close to that. There's a poll in a different thread right now that says 40% of the people responding like this ship, and even just the fact that the discussion is happening at all is proof that your statement is completely ridiculous. I've never in my life seen anyone seriously argue that manure smells good, but in the last hour of looking over reactions to this ship I've seen dozens of people defending it and only a slightly larger number attacking it. Opinion on this design is very much split. Any appearance of 'universailty' is completely in your head.

I'd also be extremely curious to hear any example whatsoever of art, music or design which can honestly be said to get anywhere near the level of revulsion that you're talking about here, because I have never seen a single one. We live in a world where Adam Sandler and Melissa McCarthy are among the most popular comedians, where famous musicians often tend to have more twerking skill than musical skill and where many, many people voluntarily listen to Grunting. Your enitre concept of 'universal' aesthetics is absolutely laughable.

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

Okay....its NOT a final locked down design at all it seems:

http://trekmovie.com/2016/07/24/exc...overy-producers-on-ships-design-shows-themes/

When Trekmovie.com asked Kadin if the teaser for Star Trek: Discovery featured the final design of the ship, music, and logo, she laughed and said “NO! I was surprised Bryan didn’t say that, actually. I mean, we had three weeks to throw that together. We wanted to show fans…we’re super-excited by the score that this amazing composer, Fil Eisler, threw together as an audition and he did an incredible job. The concepts of the ship are totally what we’re going for and they’ll be honed up until, I think, the day we deliver.”

"The concepts of the ship are totally what we're going for and they'll be honed..."

That doesn't mean it's going to be redesigned, just that it's going to be refined with additional surface detail, texture, etc. They can't be completely redesigning it "up until the day they deliver."

 

[FreddyE]

Well.."honing" might still mean they might do at least some stuff like streamlining shapes here and there etc. For example...I think the ship might look a bit better if the triangle shaped part had less sharp edges...less pronouced somehow. Maybe not having the ends of the triangle "stick" right into the warp naccelles would help to. I would but low "pylons" on the ends of the triangle and put the naccelles on them.

 

[Mach5]

I just hope the do something about these:

They look incredibly dated.

 

[Tosk]

Yeah, but...perhaps on purpose?

 

[Mach5]

Yeah, but...perhaps on purpose?

That's what I'm afraid of. I want to be sold on the idea that the show takes place two centuries or so from now, and not in some 1960's idea of what the future would look like.

Abrams, Scott Chambliss & Co. did an excellent job updating the familiar TOS designs. Why backtrack?

 

[eyeresist]

I'd like there to be a return to how the crew (especially the captain and engineer) treat their ship. Treating it like a character in its own right.

How do you do that, exactly?

 

[Jedi Marso]

That's what I'm afraid of. I wan't to be sold on the idea that the show takes place two centuries or so from now, and not in some 1960's idea of what the future would look like.

I get what you are saying, but I think it ironic that some of those old-timey past sci-fi designs from the 50's and 60's tend to look more 'futuristic' than the sci fi productions we see today. (Not necessarily talking about just Trek)

 

[FreddyE]

I just hope the do something about these:

They look incredibly dated.

For some reason this has a "vintage car" vibe to me.

 

[Jedi Marso]

How do you do that, exactly?

By not destroying the ship for 'dramatic effect' every other production or so.

One of the things I like BEST about Captain Kirk is the way he defines his duty around his ship and crew for the most part. His speech in 'Court Martial' kind of says it all, especially the last line: "...and nothing is more important than my ship." And his line when he's affected in The Naked Time, as he's talking to the ship in the conference room: "I'll never lose you!"

The way they portrayed Kirk's love for the ship, his absolute devotion to her (as well as Scotty's), that is what helps make the ship a character. They save her, she saves them. Just like the Falcon in SW. IT's going to have to be in the writing and the characterizations.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I just hope the do something about these:

They look incredibly dated.

That's one of my favorite parts of this design. I agree they have a sort of retro vibe to them, but it seems that's kind of the point. They actually almost remind me of the Romulan nacelles from Balance of Terror (which is still one of my favorite ship designs in Trek history).

 

[TheSubCommander]

I just hope the do something about these:

They look incredibly dated.

'63 impala tail lights!

OR

NX-era bussard collectors in triplicate.

 

[urbandefault]

I just hope the do something about these:

They look incredibly dated.

For some reason this has a "vintage car" vibe to me.

That's one of my favorite parts of this design. I agree they have a sort of retro vibe to them, but it seems that's kind of the point. They actually almost remind me of the Romulan nacelles from Balance of Terror (which is still one of my favorite ship designs in Trek history).

Like this:

 

[Albinator]

Soooo much focus on the design of the ship. Which is understandable given it's all we have seen, but isn't there a dedicated thread here for that? I would rather here discuss what we know about the story, speculation on the crew based on producer comments, and what the general themes might be.

For example, no one has yet commented (that i've seen, it HAS been 30 pages after all) on the comments that the show will feature a diverse cast (including LGBT) and that women specifically will have something to appreciate -- though i forget the precise wording. This tells me we might indeed have a female captain as Fuller had mentioned several years ago when he "fantasized" about casting Angela Bassett.

Makes me want to go back and read Fuller's comments over the past decade, since 'Discovery' could very well involve a lot of the ideas he has talked about in his fantasy pitch.