Where in TOS is Sulu shown as heterosexual?
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Star Trek Discovery
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Where in TOS is Sulu shown as heterosexual?
When he's running around the bridge with the sword, grabs UIhura and goes into the 'fair maiden' jargon.
Sulu Prime showed apparent attraction to females on a number of occasions, although in some instances this could be potentially explained away by the influence of agents such as Ilia's Deltan pheromones in TMP or the virus in "The Naked Time," I suppose. Yet, in "Mudd's Women" the Venus drug was merely a placebo that gave the women confidence in themselves, not something that actually chemically affected the men.
Another possible interpretation (which Takei may have implied in his objection) might be that Sulu was closeted and pretending to be straight to fit in or because he hadn't yet accepted it about himself at that point in the Prime Timeline.
(However, in any case, I suspect sexual orientation is really on a spectrum rather than rigidly defined by the discrete categories we often place upon it. I'm sure there are at least some people who identify and live as "gay" who have found some measure of attraction for members of the opposite sex in passing, just as there are at least some who identify and live as "straight" yet have found such for those of the same sex. But this is all a bit off topic for this thread.)
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Eh.. could just as easily be theatrical as "straight".
ok I could be sold on that, but that poor little Enterprise and that giant Klingon ship.Sorry should have been:
I was thinking about the comments that eyeresist made regarding a macguffin and a "legendary lost spruce goose".
Consider the Flying Dutchman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Dutchman
Come to think of it, consider the U.S.S. Defiant in The Tholian Web (ENT)
Consider the Flying Dutchman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Dutchman
Come to think of it, consider the U.S.S. Defiant in The Tholian Web (ENT)
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I'm still pissed nobody has called out those idiots who kept saying "Primeverse is dead, you're just blind and ignorant if you think otherwise", and would then post that intensely annoying "NOPE" Cumberbatch JPEG to anyone who said otherwise.
It's just funny looking at it now that all those people have disappeared. I never even experienced it myself, I never got into arguments of whether it was Prime or Kelvin timeline because I either didn't care enough or wasn't bothered by either, but some of those debates I read were just mindbogglingly childish and biased.
It's just funny looking at it now that all those people have disappeared. I never even experienced it myself, I never got into arguments of whether it was Prime or Kelvin timeline because I either didn't care enough or wasn't bothered by either, but some of those debates I read were just mindbogglingly childish and biased.
Much better.
I like it
I hated it at first, but after re-watching the test footage a few times it began to grow on me. I think I started to like it at around the 48th replay.
It's called stockholm syndrome. Most often heard with fans of bands discussing a new album that stinks (when they don't want to accept their band is capable of making a bad album). They listen to it again and again until they convince themselves they like it.
Truly great stuff doesn't need to "grow" on you.
No, it's not Stockholm syndrome at all (or even stockholm [sic] syndrome).
Claiming that that's what it is an insult to people who have actually been taken hostage, not to mention that it's an insult to both Star Trek fans and the showrunners.
First of all, the sound.
That music is horrible!
It is the most generic, derivative, History Channel Roman Empire Special sounding crap I've ever heard.
The use of that gimmicky low base sound that is in every freakin' movie trailer now and that awful cheesy sound effect when the light (over the ship name) comes on?
Seriously?
Were we supposed to gush at how cool that was?
Really?
Is it 1992?
The visual.
Babylon 5 level CGI
A golden Egyptian looking ship that looks almost exactly like this.
Which according to McQuarrie himself (FYI) was actually designed by Ken Adam-who did amazing work in the Bond films but needs to stay away from starship design.
If you HAD to go with that ugly design then why not the more refined version.
I really hope the characters and stories are good.
The fans who've been advocating for canon to revisit the Prime Universe have all been thinking in terms of the Prime Universe but without the Narada incursion, or in other words the part represented by TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, and VOY, or in still other words everything in canon except ENT and nuTrek. It's been understood all along that ENT stands in both the Prime and Kelvin timelines.
If DSC takes place before the destruction of the Kelvin, then those fans won't have anything to crow about with a "See, I told you they should/would come back to the Prime Universe."
If DSC takes place before the destruction of the Kelvin, then those fans won't have anything to crow about with a "See, I told you they should/would come back to the Prime Universe."
I think a lot will depend on the context of the new ship. Are they going for an old obsolete ship that has seen many years and is meant to look worn and busy and patched together? The design works fairly well for that. If they are going for the new State of The Art Ship of the Line, then no. Way to busy and cluttered. Ralph McQuarrie is the father of the modern "cluttered" spaceship design aesthetic after all. He's never really been noted for clean sleek and uncluttered. Maybe the Tie Fighters?
As far as music. Given how crude the CGI is, this was probably just a teaser they threw together with free, cheap or readily available assets. I don't think any of it is actual final elements of the show. It has the look and feel of something that the marketing department cut and pasted up about 2 days before SDCC.
I was raised on married with children in my formative years, large chunks of my entire BEING are based on hyperbole.
Ya gotta realize that some people actually like retro designs - like when the PS4 came out, people praised it's deliberately 80s-VCR-like appearance, and retro lines. People feel the same way about this ship too - although it does need neatening up. Obviously the CGI is temporary - it shouldn't even need saying that this was a quick sketch - even the cheapest stuff is photo-realistic now - let alone something like this which CBS is blowing millions on.
Now that I completely disagree with, at least with music. The best music takes awhile to grow on me and has the most replay value.
