It'll be "DIS". As in "Don't diss the DIS!""STD"
That acronym
Hmmm. So what are the "concepts"?
Star Trek Discovery
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Here you're confusing the actor with the character.
Given the low registry number of the ship, it seems like another TOS prequel. So, for all intent and purposes it's basically a "reimaignation" of ENT. Not the most original concept around, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the stories won't be bad. A lot depends on the characters/actors too.
On the plus side:
- No Berman & Braga.
- Yet someone with previous pre-Abrams Trek experience as showrunner, meaning someone who probably understands what Star Trek is about.
- Having had a 12-year break between the shows can't hurt either. Hopefully, it will lead too many fresh ideas.
- Heavily serialized, a format which was underused in Trek so far with exception of the 3rd season of ENT. (DS9 had story arcs too, but those were more of the "making it up as we go along" kind.)
- Release over CBS All Access means that the show is not limited by the usual contraints of a network, meaing it will certainly be different from previous Trek in style. Although I wonder whether we have to expect the bloodiest, goriest Trek with the most of nudity ever. Kind of "Star Trek: Game of Thrones"?
On the plus side:
- No Berman & Braga.
- Yet someone with previous pre-Abrams Trek experience as showrunner, meaning someone who probably understands what Star Trek is about.
- Having had a 12-year break between the shows can't hurt either. Hopefully, it will lead too many fresh ideas.
- Heavily serialized, a format which was underused in Trek so far with exception of the 3rd season of ENT. (DS9 had story arcs too, but those were more of the "making it up as we go along" kind.)
- Release over CBS All Access means that the show is not limited by the usual contraints of a network, meaing it will certainly be different from previous Trek in style. Although I wonder whether we have to expect the bloodiest, goriest Trek with the most of nudity ever. Kind of "Star Trek: Game of Thrones"?
I'm not one who generally cares too much about spaceship designs. The D is my least favourite Enterprise, but I don't think it's terrible.
But this ship in the new trailer is terrible. It's crappier than the Daedelus. The proportions and angles are bizarre. Now, I'll admit there is a certain brutal, ugly coolness to it, especially with that rusty sheen and moody lighting, but it's not a look that fits with Star Trek. I can imagine this ship fittiing into the universe of Firefly, but even then no one would be handing out design awards.
Some have speculated that this ship may be the macguffin rather than the hero, and in that case I think the design would be acceptable (a legendary lost "spruce goose" type ship).
It's also possible this ship is basically irrelevant to the new series. Look at the decision to hire Nick Meyers (who has no TV experience AFAIK). Look at the decision to give Rod Roddenberry a staff position. These decisions are conscious signals to the fans that this show is Real Trek.
So it's possible they were talking about what they could show Comic-con, given the series is a long way from filming, and someone said:
"Why don't we make a little trailer featuring that crazy old McQuarrie design? That would blow their minds!"
But this ship in the new trailer is terrible. It's crappier than the Daedelus. The proportions and angles are bizarre. Now, I'll admit there is a certain brutal, ugly coolness to it, especially with that rusty sheen and moody lighting, but it's not a look that fits with Star Trek. I can imagine this ship fittiing into the universe of Firefly, but even then no one would be handing out design awards.
Some have speculated that this ship may be the macguffin rather than the hero, and in that case I think the design would be acceptable (a legendary lost "spruce goose" type ship).
It's also possible this ship is basically irrelevant to the new series. Look at the decision to hire Nick Meyers (who has no TV experience AFAIK). Look at the decision to give Rod Roddenberry a staff position. These decisions are conscious signals to the fans that this show is Real Trek.
So it's possible they were talking about what they could show Comic-con, given the series is a long way from filming, and someone said:
"Why don't we make a little trailer featuring that crazy old McQuarrie design? That would blow their minds!"
Doesn't work. Might be geolocked.
Shit, it just occurred to me - could this be set in the Mirror Universe?
More like the 1970s. Perhaps you don't remember those?
Fanboys with hurt feelings = always hilarious.
I thought in a previous interview Brian Fuller said he wasn't going to make a show that wasn't Star Trek in tone and feel even though the type of storytelling will be modernized. I believe he or the interviewer referenced swearing and I think Brian Fuller said (or alluded to) not making Star Trek like Game of Thrones.
As someone who dabbles with 3D modeling, I totally understand the comments regarding "only" having three weeks to put the trailer together. I once tried to model a new a Enterprise in that time and it was probably the worst model I've ever done - but did open the door to some interesting concepts.
That said, it was 3 weeks in addition to my day job, and after an absence of modeling for many years. While that could be true here, I don't know why putting something together for SDCC wouldn't be on their timeline to begin with. In my mind it should have been a milestone that was planned for.
I also think this concept is still something of a red herring.....something to get people talking, and possibly something to get the title out there first and foremost. Even if they recycle an old concept ship for the show, I don't think it will be the only ship we see (per the earlier teaser), and I think the rest of what we see will be new and cool.
My personal favorite theory is that the Discovery we see in the "test flight" is the Mirror Universe Discovery (intentionally mislabeled USS instead of ISS). That ship is lost, only to reappear in the post Nemesis timeline. No one could say McQuarrie's old design looks akin to a modern sports car, and I don't believe Fuller was lying when he mentioned modern sports cars as a frame of reference. The only way the modern sports car design basis works is if the main story is set farther in the future rather than pre-TOS.
In any case, I really hope this is just a bit of intentionally created intrigue rather than a first disappointing step.
That said, it was 3 weeks in addition to my day job, and after an absence of modeling for many years. While that could be true here, I don't know why putting something together for SDCC wouldn't be on their timeline to begin with. In my mind it should have been a milestone that was planned for.
I also think this concept is still something of a red herring.....something to get people talking, and possibly something to get the title out there first and foremost. Even if they recycle an old concept ship for the show, I don't think it will be the only ship we see (per the earlier teaser), and I think the rest of what we see will be new and cool.
My personal favorite theory is that the Discovery we see in the "test flight" is the Mirror Universe Discovery (intentionally mislabeled USS instead of ISS). That ship is lost, only to reappear in the post Nemesis timeline. No one could say McQuarrie's old design looks akin to a modern sports car, and I don't believe Fuller was lying when he mentioned modern sports cars as a frame of reference. The only way the modern sports car design basis works is if the main story is set farther in the future rather than pre-TOS.
In any case, I really hope this is just a bit of intentionally created intrigue rather than a first disappointing step.
Somehow I don't think they would call a ship "Discovery" in the Mirror Universe
They could be discovering traitors within the Empire...
Geezzz I don't like the Discovery design. I mean I want to, but with all the whining from folks about how they couldn't see the connection between the nx01 and future Enterprise's design, this certainly isn't it. At least Doug Drexler was re-fitting the secondary hull to make the connection more obvious had the show continued.
The best I can hope for is that this Discovery will be destroyed early on and we'll have a story arc abut the construction of a new ship. In the mean time I'll cross my fingers for excellent story lines to compensate for this design.
The best I can hope for is that this Discovery will be destroyed early on and we'll have a story arc abut the construction of a new ship. In the mean time I'll cross my fingers for excellent story lines to compensate for this design.
We heard all sorts of sound FX, like the "shizz" from the front spotlight turning on. The sound FX were ridiculously overdone. And if this isn't a mixed Klingon/Fed ship, then the music was a serious miscue. That stock Hans Zimmer tribal war-drums has no place in a supposedly utopian Trek show debuting a ship-of-peace flying out of dry dock.
The only real Trek-like element was the fan-service of calling back to Planet of the Titans, which is the sort of thing fan-films often get criticized for doing. It's basically a retread of Phase II's debut of the PII enterprise, only with worse CGI and worse music.
And the thing is, this show has been under such a shroud of secrecy, why would they show something WIP-like or undone as the first real teaser? This is actually the second half-assed teaser because the space fly-through was also underwhelming. Where is all this top-secret pre-production going? It isn't going into production design, that's for sure.
Heck, for all we know the new show is actually about the U.S.S. Discovery, NCC 1031-B and this teaser shows the original one launched decades earlier. I'm not saying that's what it is, but we just don't know much about the show yet.
...I'd love for it to be a TMP era series. The most skipped over of all the "looks" of Trek.
...I'd love for it to be a TMP era series. The most skipped over of all the "looks" of Trek.
Same here. It make me think though that it looks different enough that people don't like it only for that reason. Human nature. From a design perspective, it's just so slick though. Love those edges and strong, aggressive stance.
Officially "DIS" my big toe :P
It's STD baby, despite what CBS tries to make the acronym. At least for me... I love it so much. It's like an opportunity to continually give CBS head noogies.
I love the notion that the teaser for the show would display a ship that gets destroyed early on, then we get the new version for the rest of the series.
It'd be like having Babylon 4 in all the trailers.
It'd be like having Babylon 4 in all the trailers.
Don't know about the ship yet, but I never liked the D thought it looked like a bloated top heavy whale, as for the arrowhead, maybe a riff on the future com badge.
If it is a prequel to the Kirk Spock era, then I will have the same concern I had for Enterprise, with cannon, and visual elements being out of place .
So for now I am just sit back and wait, until I know more, because right now I got nothing
If it is a prequel to the Kirk Spock era, then I will have the same concern I had for Enterprise, with cannon, and visual elements being out of place .
So for now I am just sit back and wait, until I know more, because right now I got nothing
