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Would you prefer if this new Star Trek show was on a different streaming site?

Getting rid of the parasitic middleman is usually a smart thing to do. The internet has provided a lot of opportunity for doing just that. And then the customer can judge the kind of company doing it: the kind to pass on the savings to its customers, or the kind to keep the savings for extra profit (and then double down on also charging to view commercials).

Except Netflix is a far better service then CBS All Access, if this is CBS' attempt to cut out the middle man, I would welcome a middle man like Netflix, I would have Star Trek bundled with a bunch of shows I like with no commercials, instead of Star Trek bundled with a bunch of shows I don't care for. After Star Trek season 1 is finished, there is no reason for me to keep the service, because I really don't care about the Good Wife spin off they are making for this service and I don't like NCIS reruns. The user reviews have been terrible:

https://www.amazon.com/CBS-Interactive-All-Access/dp/B017250D16

You asked if any experts have criticized CBS All Access, but let me ask you this, have any experts defended it? If not, then I trust the user reviews.

I think there is a reason why Disney has been willing to work with Netflix, they know they can make money working with a proven success.

Plus most of the other networks have services like this for free, CBS charging 6 bucks a month plus commercials for its merger library seems like contempt towards the customers. How will CBS All Access ever have a library that is competitive with Netflix? Its just CBS shows, Netflix has shows and movies from everywhere, ditto with Hulu and Amazon. CBS was so cheap that two separate services for Showtime and CBS, what a rip off. CBS All Access seems to offer nothing in terms of movies, edgy cable content or even kids shows. People say CBS All Access is just starting out and will get better, but how will its library get better with just CBS content and nothing else?

At this point Netflix is a fancy restaurant with a few problems, while CBS All Access is a poorly run Taco Bell, they are not even comparable.

I think this article does a good job of explaining why CBS All Access doesn't work as a stand alone service:

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/10/20/2-reasons-why-cbs-all-access-will-flop.aspx

Will this show survive if CBS All Access fails? That is the big problem I have, it seems like CBS has tied the fate of this show to the health of this service and if CBS All Access fails, they could shelve Star Trek for a long time, blaming it for the failure of CBS All Access, rather then its own mismanagement of that service.
 
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I think lots of people are going all streaming in general. I've been all streaming since the fall. I just re-connected my Roku to the big TV last night. I added Sling (40 channels for $24.99) and finally checked to see if All-Access was on it (9 months later..lol) and added that too, but I won't get the free preview till the 2017 series comes on and then pay for it then.
 
I have a mixed bag of agree and disagree:

Except Netflix is a far better service then CBS All Access...
I sense that I would agree if I watched and compared the two. But again, if you want CBS All Access to be better, they need revenue to do it. Is it not better to encourage improvement? Competition is better for us in the long run.

...if this is CBS' attempt to cut out the middle man, I would welcome a middle man like Netflix, I would have Star Trek bundled with a bunch of shows I like with no commercials, instead of Star Trek bundled with a bunch of shows I don't care for. After Star Trek season 1 is finished, there is no reason for me to keep the service, because I really don't care about the Good Wife spin off they are making for this service and I don't like NCIS reruns.
So many services fragment the market. The ability to find the content you want on any service is unreliable as exclusive contracts from studios shift from service to service. It's a well-known problem. That's why providers like Netflix or HBO are producing some of their own content. There needs to be a consortium of streaming services where consumers can sign up to have access to a bundle of providers rather than a bundle of channels. The consortium would split the revenues among the services.

I'm not going to follow the link. Amazon comments and reviews are corrupt, laughable, or both. That's why I asked for reviews from respectable and responsible, and accountable sources.

You asked if any experts have criticized CBS All Access, but let me ask you this, have any experts defended it? If not, then I trust the user reviews.
This has a hint of fascism, or at least extremely prone to confirmation bias. Are we all guilty of all crimes until accused and found innocent?

Again, if you want CBS All Access to be better, they need revenue to do it. Is it not better to encourage improvement?

I think there is a reason why Disney has been willing to work with Netflix, they know they can make money working with a proven success.
It's not really fair since I think Disney still owns ABC, thus giving CBS little chance with Disney no matter how good it becomes.

Plus most of the other networks have services like this for free, CBS charging 6 bucks a month plus commercials for its merger [sic - "meager"] library seems like contempt towards the customers.
Amen, brother! Keep that rant going. In complete agreement here. If enough people get together to say the same thing, CBS will eventually be called "brilliant" when it claims all the credit for doing the right thing and "reinvent" their free service with commercials or a single flat rate to avoid them.

How will CBS All Access ever have a library that is competitive with Netflix?
Since you asked... By doing anything they can to improve their services and improve their revenues to reinvest to make it what you, the consumer, want them to be. The theme of this and other rhetorical questions seems to indicate that you want them to fail - not succeed. So again, wouldn't it be better to demand that they get better, and make solid suggestions about how to do that than simply tear them down?

I think this article does a good job of explaining why CBS All Access doesn't work as a stand alone service:

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/10/20/2-reasons-why-cbs-all-access-will-flop.aspx
This is what I like to see, thanks! This, given an accumulation of such articles and feedback, is the sort of pressure under which I'd like to see CBS put. Here are two quotes that really hit the mark and repeat what I've been saying in this and previous posts:

All Access won't have deep archives of all CBS shows due to existing deals with other streaming services...
This may be the single, biggest problem not just for CBS All Access, but for all streaming services everywhere. The market is heavily fractured and some big players are eventually going to figure out how to build a consortium for their mutual benefit. CBS would be smart to be among them.

Network television has always been ad supported, and that's a model that could make All Access successful. Drop the monthly fee, or make it a premium, ad-free option, and replace it with an ad-driven version of the service. That might be enough to pull in a user base. If it won't grow CBS's audience, at least it will give them an option to keep watching as cable slowly dies.

This isn't working and it's not going to work because CBS is not offering anywhere near the value of rivals including Netflix and Hulu. People won't pay piecemeal to rebuild the services they get from traditional cable because that would actually cost them more than just keeping the cord. CBS content has some value, but it's not enough to work as a stand-alone.
Yes! Yes! Yes! These have been my two biggest points. Some dunder-headed muckity-muck with a big ego, a suit-and-tie, and a thick-headed agenda at CBS needs to be made to read that repeatedly until he comes to his senses.

Will this show survive if CBS All Access fails? That is the big problem I have, it seems like CBS has tied the fate of this show to the health of this service and if CBS All Access fails, they could shelve Star Trek for a long time, blaming it for the failure of CBS All Access, rather then its own mismanagement of that service.
An exactly reasonable concern. Now go demand that they do better instead of rooting for them to fail.
 
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They crossed the Rubicon a year ago.

These are the tools they have which they think they can take over the world with.

Good luck.

Meh?

Serious but, "you people" are quibbling over 6 bucks a month to watch their catalogue?

Netflix is superior, but it will hardly break the bank to have both?

Remember how much you used to spend a week at your local Blockbuster Video?
 
They crossed the Rubicon a year ago.

These are the tools they have which they think they can take over the world with.

Good luck.

Meh?

Serious but, "you people" are quibbling over 6 bucks a month to watch their catalogue?

Netflix is superior, but it will hardly break the bank to have both?

Remember how much you used to spend a week at your local Blockbuster Video?

Its not the 1980s anymore, Blockbuster is long dead and times have changed. I have been spoiled by Netflix and I am not going back to the Blockbuster mindset.

The problem is, I don't want watch CBS' library, I don't like their shows generally. I want to watch this Star Trek show, but that only justifies me having this service for a month, after I am done with Star Trek, why should I keep it? I shouldn't have to support this show by giving money to service I would have no interest in otherwise, I not going to continue supporting this service, after I have watched Star Trek, because tying the second season into how people stick around after Star Trek is finished is not a fair proposition

For me to be a long term supporter of CBS All Access, they need a bigger library with no ads or just make this service free and keep the ads, I am not paying six bucks a month for something I will get one month's use out of, that gets them 6 bucks from period, no more, no less, they want my continued business, they have to radically restructure it and they have to do it right away.


I have a mixed bag of agree and disagree:


I sense that I would agree if I watched and compared the two. But again, if you want CBS All Access to be better, they need revenue to do it. Is it not better to encourage improvement? Competition is better for us in the long run.

Except CBS All Access has done little to actually make itself competitive with Netflix at this point and more income will not improve the structural problems with CBS All Access (ads and a tiny library). Seriously if they didn't want to put this on Netflix, why not put it on Hulu or something, most of the other networks put their stuff on Hulu, it really seems foolish for CBS to try to do this on their own, instead of just going to better Netflix competitor and selling your stuff there.

So many services fragment the market. The ability to find the content you want on any service is unreliable as exclusive contracts from studios shift from service to service. It's a well-known problem. That's why providers like Netflix or HBO are producing some of their own content. There needs to be a consortium of streaming services where consumers can sign up to have access to a bundle of providers rather than a bundle of channels. The consortium would split the revenues among the services.

Well that's not happening at the moment. I would love for this to happen, but its not the world we live in at the moment, so that doesn't really factor in to anything at the moment or make the CBS All Access service better now.

I'm not going to follow the link. Amazon comments and reviews are corrupt, laughable, or both. That's why I asked for reviews from respectable and responsible, and accountable sources.

Fair enough, but there some legitimate complaints in these user reviews, are you saying these user complaints have no merit? I don't think there is big conspiracy against CBS All Access, I think their service is not very good and people are complaining about it.

This has a hint of fascism, or at least extremely prone to confirmation bias. Are we all guilty of all crimes until accused and found innocent?

Fascism?! Towards what, a giant corporation's sub par streaming service. Big greedy companies like CBS that are trying to double dip are not victims of fascism, they are being called out by consumers for a greedy corporate overreach.

Again, if you want CBS All Access to be better, they need revenue to do it. Is it not better to encourage improvement?

Will giving them more money mean they will be willing to make deals with other media companies to get more content, like Netflix does? CBS All Access doesn't even the rights to most of the Big Bang theory because WB makes that show and WB just signed a deal with Netflix to show most of their stuff on Netflix, why couldn't CBS All Access make a deal with WB to get some of their content on their service? Because I don't think its an income problem, its a management problem, CBS All Access is not as well managed as other streaming sites are and more money will not fix that.


It's not really fair since I think Disney still owns ABC, thus giving CBS little chance with Disney no matter how good it becomes.

You are missing my point, if Disney can make money partnering with Netflix, why couldn't CBS do the same? This just seems like a greedy corporate overreach on CBS' part.

Also if CBS can't play nice with other media companies (like Netflix seems to do) it doesn't matter how much income they get, their library will always be inferior to Netflix's.

Amen, brother! Keep that rant going. In complete agreement here. If enough people get together to say the same thing, CBS will eventually be called "brilliant" when it claims all the credit for doing the right thing and "reinvent" their free service with commercials or a single flat rate to avoid them.

They should be doing that now, not 3 years from now.

Since you asked... By doing anything they can to improve their services and improve their revenues to reinvest to make it what you, the consumer, want them to be. The theme of this and other rhetorical questions seems to indicate that you want them to fail - not succeed. So again, wouldn't it be better to demand that they get better, and make solid suggestions about how to do that than simply tear them down?

You want a plan to make CBS All Access better? Fine, combine CBS All Access and the Show Time streaming site into one site, instead of expecting people to pay for two different services. Then have CBS make a deal with Viacom and put all the Viacom stuff on CBS All Access, now you have a wider variety of shows and some actually movies. Keep the 6 dollar price point, ditch the commercials. There you go, a service with a decent, well rounded library that is cheaper then Netflix, it wouldn't be as good, but the smaller price point makes up for it. But CBS will not do that, heck they could combine the Showtime and CBS streaming sites right now, but they seem to have no interest, because this is a cash grab, not an attempt at a quality streaming site.

I don't like CBS All Access, because I think it sets a bad precedent, with everyone and their brother trying to get into pay streaming service and trying to drive up people's cable prices, defeating the purpose for cord cutting in the first place.

This is what I like to see, thanks! This, given an accumulation of such articles and feedback, is the sort of pressure under which I'd like to see CBS put. Here are two quotes that really hit the mark and repeat what I've been saying in this and previous posts:


This may be the single, biggest problem not just for CBS All Access, but for all streaming services everywhere. The market is heavily fractured and some big players are eventually going to figure out how to build a consortium for their mutual benefit. CBS would be smart to be among them.


Yes! Yes! Yes! These have been my two biggest points. Some dunder-headed muckity-muck with a big ego, a suit-and-tie, and a thick-headed agenda at CBS needs to be made to read that repeatedly until he comes to his senses.

But talking about hypothetical doesn't affect anything on the ground now. There is no consortium, CBS rejecting putting its stuff on Hulu makes it seem like they have no interest with playing ball with other media companies, so I have no faith CBS will improve its streaming site in any real way in the near future.

An exactly reasonable concern. Now go demand that they do better instead of rooting for them to fail.

Demand what? Fixing obvious problems that should have been fixed at the planning stage for this site, I can't force CBS to abandon a streaming plan that is filled obvious flaws. They want my money on an ongoing, fix these problems, money wouldn't fix them, a better plan for streaming will. I just think its a shame this new show's fate is tied to a poor business plan.
 
If nerd shows like Star Trek make CBS money, CBS will make more original nerd programming for nerds.

You might have to stay/subscribe for more than one month per year if they reboot a whole bunch of old timey spaceship shows.

Jason of Star Command the Next Generation!
 
Regardless of what anybody says, CBS will make money. 60% of the costs are already covered by overseas sales. They can endlessly resell this series in many formats.
 
Yeah, I wish they made science fiction for nerds, then it might actually have some science in it. What we get now, the words in the term are in the wrong positions. It should be called fantasy science.
 
Bender made a lot of love to his space ship once, so there's hope for all of is to really get what we need out of this programming.
 
So, airing on Space in Canada (so probably Crave as well) Netflix on every country but the US and Canada. US is the only one restricted to All Access.

I'm curious about Spaces airings though, will it be edited for time / commercials or will they extend the programming block like they do for other programs. Hopefully the latter.
 
It is what it is. I'd rather it would be on Amazon Prime Video or Netflix, but considering I already subscribe to Amazon Prime ($9 per month), Comic-Con HQ ($5 per month), Hulu ($12 per month), Netflix ($12 per month), Starz ($9 per month), WWE Network ($10 per month), and YouTube Red ($10 per month), what's another video streaming service and another $10 per month?

I say $10 because I've read that CBS is considering offering a second, commercial-free tier like Hulu for $10 per month. That's the only way I'd subscribe. Otherwise, I'll either get it as a season pass on Amazon Video, iTunes, or VUDU, or wait.
 
Yup, Crave has confirmed they will be streaming it after each episode airs on Space.
 
Yup, Crave has confirmed they will be streaming it after each episode airs on Space.

I might sign up for Crave then, I can't really go back to watching broadcast TV and Crave has pretty good price and it has the old HBO stuff that I wouldn't watching as well. I'm glad its not on Shomi.
 
I had the free month in Feb 2015. I found the player slow to buffer and the video quality quite low. I cancelled and stuck with Netflix. I still have satellite so will watch this on Space.


I might sign up for Crave then, I can't really go back to watching broadcast TV and Crave has pretty good price and it has the old HBO stuff that I wouldn't watching as well. I'm glad its not on Shomi.
 
I had the free month in Feb 2016. I found the player slow to buffer and the video quality quite low. I cancelled and stuck with Netflix. I still have satellite so will watch this on Space.

That sucks. Well what can I expect from Bell, they are incompetent. I just vastly prefer watching stuff online then on TV, because I get to choose when I want to watch something, what if I am busy one night its on, then I miss an episode and the next episode won't make any sense. Unless Space reruns this show all the time, its easy to miss one episode and then be lost.

I can try watching it the old way, but is not my preference. I am somewhat unhappy its on Netflix every where expect North America.

This is why Netflix has way more viewers then Crave or Shomi, because those are services run by Canada's horrible telecommunication companies.

Actually I have DVR, I will just use that instead.
 
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That sucks. Well what can I expect from Bell, they are incompetent. I just vastly prefer watching stuff online then on TV, because I get to choose when I want to watch something, what if I am busy one night its on, then I miss an episode and the next episode won't make any sense. Unless Space reruns this show all the time, its easy to miss one episode and then be lost.

I can try watching it the old way, but is not my preference. I am somewhat unhappy its on Netflix every where expect North America.

This is why Netflix has way more viewers then Crave or Shomi, because those are services run by Canada's horrible telecommunication companies.


My bad, I meant Feb 2015. I edited my post but after you quoted it. It's been a year and a half ig might be better. Bell has an offer right now - $12 for hbo, an all the other movie channels plus Crave for four months. Or at least they did a month or so ago. If you're getting Crave anyway it might be worth it.
 
If they make an All Access app for my Panasonic TV, I'll pay for it.
If I have to watch it on my overheating old laptop, I'll be less inclined.
 
My bad, I meant Feb 2015. I edited my post but after you quoted it. It's been a year and a half ig might be better. Bell has an offer right now - $12 for hbo, an all the other movie channels plus Crave for four months. Or at least they did a month or so ago. If you're getting Crave anyway it might be worth it.

Well maybe, if the service better I may consider it and I'm not necessarily getting Crave, its just something I have considered. Also how soon will new episodes be on Crave? That is a potential deal breaker. Man, I think Canadians may be getting a raw deal here, especially if its going to be on Netflix in most of the rest of the world. I think North American viewers are getting hosed by CBS and Bell.
 
Well maybe, if the service better I may consider it and I'm not necessarily getting Crave, its just something I have considered. Also how soon will new episodes be on Crave? That is a potential deal breaker. Man, I think Canadians may be getting a raw deal here, especially if its going to be on Netflix in most of the rest of the world. I think North American viewers are getting hosed by CBS and Bell.

I'm not sure how quickly after the initial airings it will appear. If you google the press releases will come up, Bell issued one for it airing on Space and another for it on Crave.

I'm hoping for some news before Fan Expo. Since its filming in Toronto it'd be awesome to get some of the crew like Fuller or Meyers and the new cast to show up for signings/Q&A.
 
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