Gay in 1972 = Loony bin = Elecrtoshock therapy till there's no more hair on your balls.
That's just the government.
Regular decent god fearing salt of the earth people might beat you to death.
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Gay in 1972 = Loony bin = Elecrtoshock therapy till there's no more hair on your balls.
That's just the government.
Regular decent god fearing salt of the earth people might beat you to death.
I suppose, but he could just as easily have taken credit for all of it...
The decision to make New Sulu gay is easily attributable to everything that Takei imbued the original character with to make him an icon, combined with all of the work Takei has done as an individual to advance gay rights. They did this for Takei. To honor him.
Takei has quite the ego and could have claimed it all if he wanted to.
But he didn't.
I really don't think he believed Prime Sulu was gay, nor did he want him to be.
Lets assume that 1994 George thought that "daughter" means "wife" in 1994.
He must have made his final peace with Sulu's sexuality a long time ago.
He must have made his final peace with Sulu's sexuality a long time ago.
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Either that or he convinced himself he didn't want him to be. Again, 40 years of "there's something wrong with you" will mess with your head.
Drop the Photoshop.
Drop it now!
Drop it now!
Star Trek movies are made for general audiences, not Star Trek fans.
Orci & Kurtzman made themselves very clear on the new timeline. They said in 2009 to "Think Parallels", the TNG episode. Many timelines co-exist. And, as big TNG fans themselves, they also established (in the IDW "Countdown" comic miniseries, story by them!) that TNG's 24th century continues as normal after Spock Prime departs to the other timeline.
I doubt his sexuality was even given a second thought. He was there to push buttons and spout exposition. Takei wasn't given all that much to work with, frankly. He was used for some reaction shots once or twice,. That's about as deep as it got. I'm not even sure how you play gay or straight without a relationship in the story.
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Kinda what I would've said if I had found your words. Takei is not trying to be a bad sport about this. I could see where he believes there is something "forced" about this (what he may think is a so-called) honor. I sympathize with him. Where was this support in real life 50 years ago?
No boners around Kirk, for starters.
True. Frankly, what you said could apply equally to Uhura, Chekov, and even Scotty. It was hardly and ensemble show, and the characters after the Big Three were not fleshed out at all.
There may have been some self-preservation in his strategy, all those years ago.
Maybe after Gene talked about bad ratings when Kirk kissed Uhura, George said: "Well, I definitely think we should explore gay rights at some point, but not with my character. Let's create a different character, in case the shit hits the fan. I mean, I don't want to lose this gig. Sulu is definitely straight!"
And then time passed and he clung to that line of thinking, until the cement dried. Now, looking back, he has decided that was always the only way to play it.
All speculation, of course...
More so Chekov and Uhura, but Scotty could have been used better. Far too often Spock would come up with something that should been in Scotty's wheel house. And of the three younger characters, Chekov comes out a slightly ahead with actual supporting roles in some episodes. Hell, he even got an ex-girlfriend!!!!
What I mean is, in the absence of anything specific and/or to the contrary, defaults rule. In that day and age, there was a singular default on TV: straight. It wasn't given a second thought, because it was implicit. Thankfully, today, that is no longer the case.
Very true. But we shouldn't revert to that default today.
Okay, I for one am sick of the "____ had inhabited this character for 50 years" rubbish. Wonder how much time George actually put in playing Sulu? Let's do some fun with math!
Sulu appeared in 52 episodes of Star Trek. He probably worked an average of 2 days per segment (sometimes more, sometimes less), so that's 104 days.
Sulu appeared in 22 episodes of TAS (supposedly), but as he generally only had a handful of lines in each episode, none of them would have taken a day to record, but being generous, we'll give him George 22 days of Sulu in the studio.
TMP had a famously protracted principle photography schedule, but even with 16 weeks of shooting George was at best in half of it, so let's give him 8 weeks (40 days).
For the remaining 5 movies I'm guessing he maybe got 20 days each (4 weeks). but I'll be generous and give him 30 (six weeks), and 30x5 =150.
6 days for Voyager's "Flashback".
Let's guess 10 days for the fanfilm "World Enough and Time".
And the total is: 332 days or 1.27 years in terms of 5 day work weeks.
Sure he had prep days, table reads, costume fittings, etc. But at the outside he spent two years in cumulative time and a half acting as/working on Sulu.
Sulu appeared in 52 episodes of Star Trek. He probably worked an average of 2 days per segment (sometimes more, sometimes less), so that's 104 days.
Sulu appeared in 22 episodes of TAS (supposedly), but as he generally only had a handful of lines in each episode, none of them would have taken a day to record, but being generous, we'll give him George 22 days of Sulu in the studio.
TMP had a famously protracted principle photography schedule, but even with 16 weeks of shooting George was at best in half of it, so let's give him 8 weeks (40 days).
For the remaining 5 movies I'm guessing he maybe got 20 days each (4 weeks). but I'll be generous and give him 30 (six weeks), and 30x5 =150.
6 days for Voyager's "Flashback".
Let's guess 10 days for the fanfilm "World Enough and Time".
And the total is: 332 days or 1.27 years in terms of 5 day work weeks.
Sure he had prep days, table reads, costume fittings, etc. But at the outside he spent two years in cumulative time and a half acting as/working on Sulu.
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How many conventions and public appearances, and dealing with pushy fans while he ate dinner in restaurants?
And what about the orgies where they asked him to stay in character (and costume)?
And what about the orgies where they asked him to stay in character (and costume)?
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