HUGE Mr Sulu Spoiler

[Amaris]

What do you mean "examples please". Watch your own movie, Spock explains it for you. This is not another universe no matter how much you want it to be.

It is an alternate reality, which by its very nature takes place in a different universe. According to Bob Orci in an interview for the 2009 film:

Bob: Yes. If you look at quantum mechanics and you learn about the fact that our most successful theory of science is quantum mechanics, and the fact that it deals with probabilities of events happening. And that the most probable events tend to happen more often and that one of the subsets of that theory is the many universe theory. Data said this [in "Parallels"], he summed up quantum mechanics as the theory that "all possibilities that can happen do happen" in a parallel universe. According to theory, there are going to be a much larger number of universes in which events are very closely related, because those are the most probable configurations of things. Inherent in quantum mechanics there is sort of reverse entropy, which is what you were trying to say, in which the universe does tend to want to order itself in a certain way. This is not something we are making up; this is something we researched, in terms of the physical theory. So yes, there is an element of the universe trying to hold itself together.

You can read that entire interview here: http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob...-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/

So as I asked before, examples please?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I saw that excuse for a movie, in no way are they in another universe in that movie. It's the exact same universe.

Star Trek is about time travelling, not different universes. Just like Star Trek 4 was about time Travelling. They didn't go back to another universe.

You might want to read up on the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics.
And Star Trek has visited other universes before

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[Locutus of Bored]

In what should be a celebration of Star Trek's 50th anniversary, I find what Pegg has done and said, and all the consequences of his actions due to the way he went about doing what he did, to be pathetic, self serving, idiotic, and utterly crass. None of us should have to be here debating and arguing about this because it should've never have been allowed to happen in the first place. Pegg is someone who clearly needs to be kept on a very tight leash, and part of me blames Paramount for not keeping him under control. Justin Lin is also squarely to blame.

Wait a minute, I'm still stuck on your original self-contradicting post about how you have no problem with homosexuality (clearly) in Star Trek, but you don't like it being forced on the audience.

I've no issue with homosexuality being represented in Star Trek. I just don't like the way it's being forced on the audience.

Okay, now that that's out of the way...

What has happened that is so terrifying and difficult for you to deal with? A secondary character is going to be shown to have a husband and daughter in one or two scenes. You're acting like the Enterprise is going to be towing gay pride parade floats down the red carpet of the Tony Awards while Elton John sings a cover of YMCA. Settle down.

 

[photon70]

Star Trek is about time travelling, not different universes.

If you time travel in Universe A (version 1) back in time, you arrive in Universe A (version 2) whilst version 1 continues without you.

Think of it as a branch in the stream or river (of time).

As soon as you time travel, you create parallel universes by the very act of arriving at a point in time you were never supposed to be.

Go and read some books / articles on the subject.

It's a couple of subtle scenes in the movie, no a gay pride parade.

 

[JeffinOakland]

Do they have gay pride parades in the future? Is that still a thing? What would a gay pride parade in ST'S future look like?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

You're acting like the Enterprise is going to be towing gay pride parade floats down the red carpet of the Tony Awards while Elton John sings a cover of YMCA.

Won't someone please Photoshop?

That's beyond my humble skills.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Do they have gay pride parades in the future? Is that still a thing? What would a gay pride parade in ST'S future look like?

Spoiler

Apologies to the original artists here. I just found these on Google.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Do they have gay pride parades in the future? Is that still a thing? What would a gay pride parade in ST'S future look like?

Sames as today's.

 

[Makarov]

This whole concept seems like a good idea, but if they had picked a different character it would feel less forced and like a PR move.

 

[Mudd]

I think that if one objects to what Pegg has done here, Duck Dynasty may be more suitable an entertainment than Star Trek.

 

[Rincewiend]

What do you mean "examples please". Watch your own movie, Spock explains it for you. This is not another universe no matter how much you want it to be.

It is from the reality where Nero and Old Spock come from, which is the one we saw up until 2009...
Nero traveling back in time and destroying the Kelvin changed almost everything, so it is an alternate reality...
The ships are more advanced, different alien species are part of the Federation, Kirk lost his father, Spock his mother and his planet, Spock and Uhura are in a relationship...
Just to name a couple of major differences from the original timeline/reality...
So Sulu being gay in this reality is not that big of a deal...

 

[Nerys Myk]

This whole concept seems like a good idea, but if they had picked a different character it would feel less forced and like a PR move.

Which character would be better?
PR move?

 

[JeffinOakland]

Sames as today's.

I doubt that.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I doubt that.

Okay, the floats are mostly holograms on antigrav platforms.

 

[borgboy]

Sulu is the only original series regular who doesn't have a well defined history of heterosexual behavior.
His MU double sexually harassed Uhura, and Sulu was affected by Deltan phermones that are basically a date rape drug.
That's it. Sulu is left a pretty blank slate. The general public only assumed his heterosexuality because he was created in a time when heterosexuality was compulsory for all tv characters. That's not a good reason to not have him represent gay people going forward.
Any other regular character being gay would've been going against a larger history of heterosexual behavior in the original universe, not that any of them couldn't be revealed as bi/pan. There's barely any time to focus on the large cast as it is, creating a new character to be gay would have taken away from our established cast.
It is kind of sad that people have such a hard time accepting a gay character but not aliens when gay people are actually a real part of life.

 

[BillJ]

It is kind of sad that people have such a hard time accepting a gay character but not aliens when gay people are actually a real part of life.

That's part of the problem, aliens aren't a threat to them and their thinking because they aren't humans.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I think that if one objects to what Pegg has done here, Duck Dynasty may be more suitable an entertainment than Star Trek.

Can't watch that one either.

 

[BillJ]

Can't watch that one either.

What kind of world do we live in when ducks are in the pocket of the Gay Agenda!!!

 

[JeffinOakland]

I can't help but wonder what alien species would think of homosexuality. For instance, I would assume Vulcans would think bigotry is "illogical". Romulans, on the other hand might think the exact opposite.

 

[mlk]

Sulu has a family and a daughter, making it at least more probable that he is straight. That's why another character would be a better fit. It has nothing to do with people not accepting a gay character.