HUGE Mr Sulu Spoiler

[sojourner]

Pegg is someone who clearly needs to be kept on a very tight leash, and part of me blames Paramount for not keeping him under control. Justin Lin is also squarely to blame.

Blame for what? Bringing a more enlightened sensibility to Star Trek? The horror! the horror!

 

[mlk]

You're right! We tend to not use the ol' "If you don't know I'm not going to tell you" debate tactic of 8 year olds everywhere.

No, but warning people you don't agree with isn't that much better.

 

[Kemaiku]

Or you could just not make such an issue and insult so many people over simple representation, the kind Star Trek has been praised for for decades, often without merit. Now it tries to do exactly that, and all you can muster is this?

When did we all become so closed minded.

 

[BillJ]

In what should be a celebration of Star Trek's 50th anniversary...

You mean the 50th Anniversary of a franchise that goes out of its way to pat itself on its back for its diversity?

 

[BillJ]

Or you could just not make such an issue and insult so many people over simple representation, the kind Star Trek has been praised for for decades, often without merit. Now it tries to do exactly that, and all you can muster is this?

When did we all become so closed minded.

White male homophobes are fearful they no longer have a safe place in entertainment from homosexuality.

 

[CorporalClegg]

None of us should have to be here debating and arguing about this because it should've never have been an issue in the first place.

Fixed that for you, brah.

 

[Nerys Myk]

In what should be a celebration of Star Trek's 50th anniversary, I find what Pegg has done and said, and all the consequences of his actions due to the way he went about doing what he did, to be pathetic, self serving, idiotic, and utterly crass. None of us should have to be here debating and arguing about this because it should've never have been allowed to happen in the first place. Pegg is someone who clearly needs to be kept on a very tight leash, and part of me blames Paramount for not keeping him under control. Justin Lin is also squarely to blame.

You can't be serious.
He made Sulu a gay man. What is pathetic, self serving, idiotic, and utterly crass about that? They way he went about it? He had a idea. Wrote a script and as a courtesy told the actor who used to play the part what was happening. Not seeing the problem.

 

[BillJ]

...gay man.

That is the problem right there.

 

[RAMA]

You do realize species on the Earth are all from the same biosphere and would be more likely to be genetically compatible than any alien female?? Probably not..

RAMA

Kirk never did the horizontal mambo with anyone who, given the limitations of mid 1960's makeup and budgetry contstraints, wasn't clearly female. The in the original movies, only Carol Marcus was revealed as one of his previous flames in TWOK, with Catherine Hicks (Gillian, Whale woman) in The Voyage Home, and a passing reference to an Antonia in the Nexus during Generations.

I'm not sure the standard or otherwise nature of the "genitalia" on any of those green painted women in TOS is important. As far as Kirk was concerned, he was having heterosexual nookie, if indeed he had any at all. To say otherwise is just seeing things that aren't there, were never hinted at, and that just gives ammunition to people like Pegg.

In what should be a celebration of Star Trek's 50th anniversary, I find what Pegg has done and said, and all the consequences of his actions due to the way he went about doing what he did, to be pathetic, self serving, idiotic, and utterly crass. None of us should have to be here debating and arguing about this because it should've never have been allowed to happen in the first place. Pegg is someone who clearly needs to be kept on a very tight leash, and part of me blames Paramount for not keeping him under control. Justin Lin is also squarely to blame.

 

[-Brett-]

And No It's not a new universe it's the exact same universe or did I miss that they are now in the mirror universe or something?

Apparently you did miss something. There was a movie released in 2009 called "Star Trek". No subtitle.

 

[mlk]

Apparently you did miss something. There was a movie released in 2009 called "Star Trek". No subtitle.

I saw that excuse for a movie, in no way are they in another universe in that movie. It's the exact same universe.

Star Trek is about time travelling, not different universes. Just like Star Trek 4 was about time Travelling. They didn't go back to another universe.

 

[Amaris]

I saw that excuse for a movie, in no way are they in another universe in that movie. It's the exact same universe.

Examples, please? Because even the characters in the film agree they are in an alternate reality:

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[BillJ]

It's the exact same universe.

The writer's of that movie disagree with you.

 

[Garak]

Kirk never did the horizontal mambo with anyone who, given the limitations of mid 1960's makeup and budgetry contstraints, wasn't clearly female. The in the original movies, only Carol Marcus was revealed as one of his previous flames in TWOK, with Catherine Hicks (Gillian, Whale woman) in The Voyage Home, and a passing reference to an Antonia in the Nexus during Generations.

I'm not sure the standard or otherwise nature of the "genitalia" on any of those green painted women in TOS is important. As far as Kirk was concerned, he was having heterosexual nookie, if indeed he had any at all. To say otherwise is just seeing things that aren't there, were never hinted at, and that just gives ammunition to people like Pegg.

In what should be a celebration of Star Trek's 50th anniversary, I find what Pegg has done and said, and all the consequences of his actions due to the way he went about doing what he did, to be pathetic, self serving, idiotic, and utterly crass. None of us should have to be here debating and arguing about this because it should've never have been allowed to happen in the first place. Pegg is someone who clearly needs to be kept on a very tight leash, and part of me blames Paramount for not keeping him under control. Justin Lin is also squarely to blame.

Pretty sure this guy was crying when he wrote this post.

 

[CorporalClegg]

It's obviously a different universe because there's clearly a higher helium count in ship's life-support systems.

 

[mlk]

Examples, please? Because even the characters in the film agree they are in an alternate reality:

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What do you mean "examples please". Watch your own movie, Spock explains it for you. This is not another universe no matter how much you want it to be.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I think the real issue is that when you see gay men, you get tingling feelings in your nether regions that you just don't understand.

Bill, please refrain from making personal remarks like that.

 

[BillJ]

What do you mean "examples please". Watch your own movie, Spock explains it for you. This is not another universe no matter how much you want it to be.

I take it you didn't watch the clip? You are consistent in your ignorance.

 

[BillJ]

Bill, please refrain from making personal remarks like that.

Apologies. I deleted the offending comment.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Technically, he is correct. It is the same universe. That does not, however, change the validity of his argument.