Robbed of Seasons 5-7

[eyeresist]

Naw, they knew the Trip fans would be absolutely livid. That he and T'Pol went separate ways was bad enough, but to have him die in such a needless manner, saving Archer of all people (who a number of fans loathed still with a passion) was the final insult. A lot of those fans havent supported Trek since.

It's interesting that Braga was also a writer on Generations, with its underwhelming death of Kirk. I think he had in mind the idea that a major character dying in a relatively trivial way could be powerful and "real". Sadly he wasn't able to make it work. It might have been better if, after the death, we had spent some time with the characters' reactions to it. Kirk's first "death" in GEN works for that reason.

 

[suarezguy]

Braga also had wanted to kill off Seven back in the Voyager final episode, he and Berman may have actually thought killing off a popular character would be popular (remembering TWoK and maybe "Yesterday's Enterprise" and forgetting Generations). It may have also been their response to fan criticism that the shows were too bland and safe.

 

[LJones41]

How could this show not have been a hit? I know it started off slow but come on... by Season 4 it was ADDICTING.... just really great storytelling... we were definitely robbed of three years.

And when they killed Trip... sickening. It added nothing and just made a sadder premature end even worse.

I don't feel that viewers were robbed of a fifth, sixth and seventh season. Frankly, aside from a handful of episodes, I was not impressed by "ENTERPRISE". After the final show aired, I overheard a group of people on a local bus tear the entire series into shreds. And I agreed with them.

 

[eyeresist]

I don't feel that viewers were robbed of a fifth, sixth and seventh season. Frankly, aside from a handful of episodes, I was not impressed by "ENTERPRISE". After the final show aired, I overheard a group of people on a local bus tear the entire series into shreds. And I agreed with them.

I'm afraid your post combined with your avatar reminds me of a "Hitler rants about..." which I recently watched. The funniest line was "Your favourite series was Voyager! Nobody cares what you think!"

 

[Willow]

I would love to see a fan/volunteer production of more episodes of Enterprise.

I actually would like to see the relaunch books brought to thr screen. (The ones that take place during/after TATV) But it would only work for me with the original cast. So that will never happen....although, I'd think that Anthony Montgomery may go for it, as the books gave him more to do!

 

[LJones41]

I'm afraid your post combined with your avatar reminds me of a "Hitler rants about..." which I recently watched. The funniest line was "Your favourite series was Voyager! Nobody cares what you think!"

Was it really necessary for you to insult me because I do not share your feelings about the show? It's now against the law for me to prefer VOY or any other TREK show over ENT?

 

[eyeresist]

Was it really necessary for you to insult me because I do not share your feelings about the show? It's now against the law for me to prefer VOY or any other TREK show over ENT?

I didn't insult you. I made a joke. Besides, if you come into the ENT forum to shit on the series, you don't have the right to complain if someone offends your feelings by putting down your show.

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Was it really necessary for you to insult me because I do not share your feelings about the show? It's now against the law for me to prefer VOY or any other TREK show over ENT?

I didn't insult you. I made a joke. Besides, if you come into the ENT forum to shit on the series, you don't have the right to complain if someone offends your feelings by putting down your show.

Time for both of you to step back and take a deep breath, I think.

It appears to me that each of you shared a third party's vividly expressed animosity for the other's favored show - bus riders about ENT and that ranting Hitler meme about VOY - rather than direct insults.

LJones41, of course it's not against the law to favor another show over ENT. But when you come into the ENT forum, to a thread where many ENT fans are mourning the show's premature demise, to express your animosity, you're liable to get strong pushback.

eyeresist, one man's joke can be another man's insult, depending on one's POV. When you invoke Hitler to express a view that gives you a chuckle, you're liable to get strong pushback. LJones41 has the right to say anything she wants as long as she is civil and obeys the board rules, the same right we all have here.

I suggest you both agree to disagree, tone down the emotionally charged language, and let's move on, okay?

 

[eyeresist]

Okay, mom.

 

[virtualvoyager]

The worst ratings of the series was the last two. They were very bad. United was like just over two and a half million.

The first season had the highest in the first five or six episodes.

Even Regeneration had a poor rating in season 2. Just above four million. Regeneration I have down as a favourite of season 2.

 

[Visitor1982]

Enterprise is my favourite Star Trek series, after DS9. It had great potential.

Season 1 and 2 had some great and some very flawed episodes. It was too much like Voyager season 8 and 9. Season 3 of Enterprise is still my favourite and season 4 had some great moments (Augments, Vulcans, Andorians, Terra Prima movement) and some weaker ones (explaining Klingon ridges, mirror universe which I hate).

I would have given the show at least a season 5 where you could actually see the birth of the Federation and the coming Romulan War. It should have gotten closure. These Are The Voyages just wasn't that at all.

 

[Wbino]

IMHO

T'Pol was the second best crew Vulcan since Spock.
And best in a jumpsuit....

 

[apollo1984]

The worst ratings of the series was the last two. They were very bad. United was like just over two and a half million.

The first season had the highest in the first five or six episodes.

Even Regeneration had a poor rating in season 2. Just above four million. Regeneration I have down as a favourite of season 2.

What you have to remember when it comes to ratings is that the network did not exactly give Enterprise prime slots for rating, plus as I came to understand thanks to a blu-ray extra the show was not even aired all over America there were states that did not even show the programme something I never even realised would happen.

 

[virtualvoyager]

Why would some states not have aired the series?

Considering that people were aware of the franchise, you would think there would of been more viewings.

I don't dislike all of season 3, and 4. But those ratings were still poor. 2.81 million for United. Season 3 the first episode didn't even get at least a twelve or eight million watch.

I do like Carpenter Street, North star, Impulse as favourites.

The breach, season 2, 3.2 million. The lowest of the season.

And yes Enterprise was far too Archer/trip focused. The May weather and Sato characters were the least shown, which everybody knows that.

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Why would some states not have aired the series?

Considering that people were aware of the franchise, you would think there would of been more viewings.

I don't dislike all of season 3, and 4. But those ratings were still poor. 2.81 million for United. Season 3 the first episode didn't even get at least a twelve or eight million watch.

UPN at that time was a brand new network that didn't even have a full schedule of programming like the Big 4 broadcast networks - one of which, Fox, had similarly been a "netlet" for several years before "The Simpsons" and "The X-Files" put it in the same league as the Big 3. UPN did not have network affiliates in all the major markets, making it impossible for its shows to achieve anything close to top ratings. There just wasn't enough coverage.

Plus UPN often pre-empted ENT for sports programming, or changed viewing nights, or showed it late or on weekends. A lot of the time the show was unfindable. My local UPN station showed a repeat of first-run episodes on the weekend at some stupid time, which was often the only airing I could watch if the original broadcast was pre-empted. If I found it.

DVRing shows was just starting as the series ended, and wasn't being factored into ratings yet anyway - another disadvantage for ENT.

 

[eyeresist]

T'Pol was the second best crew Vulcan since Spock.
And best in a jumpsuit....

We never got to see Spock in a catsuit ... therefore I can make no judgement at this time.

I do like Carpenter Street, North star, Impulse as favourites.

Genuinely curious: why do you like Carpenter Street?

 

[2takesfrakes]

I would've been glad to see ENT make it through all 7 Seasons. But I must be Frank & Ernest: I wouldn't have wanted to see the tonality of Season 4 dominate. It was flat & flavourless, as compared to Season 3 and the Third Season represented the very best of ENT. In Season 4, the stories were much better constructed, in a technical sense. There was more cohesion, regardless of how "logical" the storylines were. But it was passionless fare, for the most part ... and that bothered me. I missed Season 3's imagination, its flare and style ... all of that kind of went bye-bye and, in their place, Season 4 presented us with shittier FX and crappier make-up jobs. It wouldn't have been as much fun, sticking around for 3 more years of that.

 

[Samurai8472]

I would have liked to have seen where things have gone with a S5 to S7

It's fun to see the styles change and maybe a cast member get's added or subtracted to reflect the new seasons

For example

 

[Kevin Thomas Riley]

Robbed and robbed... At the time I a was a huge ENT fan, especially after the excellent third and fourth seasons, and I remain so. But I do realize why it got axed. Had the show been like those two seasons from the start I think it might have survived, by taking advantage of the prequel concept. By the time it got retooled it was too late, and a lot of viewers had already left, not to come back.

Had it continued I would have liked to see more episodes like in season 4, with mini-arcs and to end with a season focusing on the Romulan war. And of course TATV would never have happened and Trip would be NOT.DEAD.

 

[Anna Yolei]

Robbed and robbed... At the time a was a huge ENT fan, especially after the excellent third and fourth seasons, and I remain so. But I do realize why it got axed. Had the show been like those two seasons from the start I think it might have survived, by taking advantage of the prequel concept. By the time it got retooled it was too late, and a lot of viewers had already left, not to come back.

Had it continued I would have liked to see more episodes like in season 4, with mini-arcs and to end with a season focusing on the Romulan war. And of course TATV would never have happened and Trip would be NOT.DEAD.

Hey, welcome back, BTW

I think stronger early seasons wouldn't have hurt, but with all the studio politics and Les Moonves taking charge over the whole of Viacom, I don't think this should would've gotten more than a fifth season. It would've gotten gutted after UPN and the WB merged to make CW.