Which fanboys? This just seems like demagoguery to me.
I think he did it just fine.
"I’m delighted that there’s a gay character. Unfortunately, it’s a twisting of Gene’s creation, to which he put in so much thought. I think it’s really unfortunate."
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Which fanboys? This just seems like demagoguery to me.
I think he did it just fine.
"I’m delighted that there’s a gay character. Unfortunately, it’s a twisting of Gene’s creation, to which he put in so much thought. I think it’s really unfortunate."
Takei says they did talk to him beforehand and he advised them not to do it. But Takei doesn't own the character and isn't owed anything by the makers of ST:Beyond. It was a courtesy because they respected him and thought he'd be happy about the decision, but his approval was not needed, and not enough to override the decision.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-takei-reacts-gay-sulu-909154
The discussion isn't limited to what's posted in this thread.
Enough with the naming names thing. It's not happening. Quit trying to make it happen.
What are you asking for here? Names? Are you under the impression there aren't fanboys who are homophobic?
I don't enjoy stereotyping and demagoguery. If someone has said something offensive, that's one thing. But there was a clear implication that those who were upset were homophobes and bigots. And I just don't know how one could make such a blanket statement and expect to be taken seriously.
I'm not pretending anything. I just don't agree with making blanket statements about large groups of people, especially when they are incendiary statements accusing people of vile behavior.
Well, it kind of is. We've got to be responsible for the words we use. It is intellectually dishonest to make blanket statements that one is unable to provide evidence for, especially negative blanket statements,
I'm not being defensive at all. I'm having a discussion about Star Trek on a forum dedicated to Star Trek.
I'm sorry, it takes more than anecdotal evidence and cheap demagoguery to convince me of an argument.
There's a double negative at work too maybe, where Homophobes with power have to overcompensate their approval of homosexuals, to avoid any complicity with their true hearts beliefs by the light of day.
Although... How likely is that?
That someone would fake their orientation tolerance to fit in and avoid persecution?
Although... How likely is that?
That someone would fake their orientation tolerance to fit in and avoid persecution?
Why? I thought this was a discussion forum. Is it against the rules for me to respond to people who are interested in having a discussion on a discussion forum?
Am I to assume that anecodtal evidence and cheap demagoguery is all that can be provided to bolster the argument that only bigots and homophobes are against this decision?
^ Myk, that's enough. Let's drop it and move on.
Frankly, I would rather have done without the "homophobic fanboys" crack altogether. Unfortunately, it's there, but the thread does not need to be about that, and it will not be. Now, along with everyone else, pack up and move beyond it.
Because I asked you to.
This is a discussion forum, yes, and there's a term for what you're doing here. It's not "playing devil's advocate". It's called thread-shitting -- a tactic meant to disrupt and derail -- and that's against the rules.
No, you are not to assume that, and -- as has already been pointed out -- that is an argument no one has been making.
Frankly, I would rather have done without the "homophobic fanboys" crack altogether. Unfortunately, it's there, but the thread does not need to be about that, and it will not be. Now, along with everyone else, pack up and move beyond it.
What's Peter David's opinion? Y'know the author of the novel "The Captain's Daughter". "Mom" must have been at least mentioned in that book, and now some lawyer has uninvented one of his characters... Actually, I'm more inclined to believe that Pete is annoyed that no one told him that he was allowed to write about healthy gay relationships this much earlier into his career than when he finally turned that shit into his bread and butter.
It would cost Pocket Books almost zero, to release a special edition of the E-Book, with PAD's help and input, even if he just uses the "find and replace" function in MS Word, where every mention of a mother, a woman, is turned into a second father, who is a man.
It would cost Pocket Books almost zero, to release a special edition of the E-Book, with PAD's help and input, even if he just uses the "find and replace" function in MS Word, where every mention of a mother, a woman, is turned into a second father, who is a man.
Infraction for refusing to follow mod instructions (from two of us). Comments to PM.
(Sorry for the delay in posting this. The board went into its maintenance cycle after I gave the infraction but before I could post the message in the thread, so I had to wait for it to finish.)
This isn't an underclass rhetoric class. It certainly seems like you're just amusing yourself by arguing for the sake of arguing. If you have a point about the character Sulu being revealed as gay and/or the actor not being ok with it, just speak your mind bluntly.
^
LOL wasn't that scene filmed in Dubai? If so, that's a big f*ck you to that retarded culture.
LOL wasn't that scene filmed in Dubai? If so, that's a big f*ck you to that retarded culture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates
Yup, super funny.
Although you shouldn't say an entire country, or in this case a coalition of countries, is stupid just because their lawmakers are monsters.
What's Peter David's opinion? Y'know the author of the novel "The Captain's Daughter". "Mom" must have been at least mentioned in that book, and now some lawyer has uninvented one of his characters... Actually, I'm more inclined to believe that Pete is annoyed that no one told him that he was allowed to write about healthy gay relationships this much earlier into his career than when he finally turned that shit into his bread and butter.
It would cost Pocket Books almost zero, to release a special edition of the E-Book, with PAD's help and input, even if he just uses the "find and replace" function in MS Word, where every mention of a mother, a woman, is turned into a second father, who is a man.
Peter David supports gay Sulu.
http://www.peterdavid.net/2016/07/08/sulu-being-gay/
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