HUGE Mr Sulu Spoiler

[JN2849]

I felt a great disturbance in The Force, as if millions of bigots suddenly cried out in terror.

Oh wait, wrong franchise. But seriously, I can't wait to see homophobic fanboys spinning like the blades on the Enterprise's warp nacelles at the thought of Sulu belonging to my tribe.

I guess that makes George Takei a homophobe as well, huh?

Embracing diversity includes the most important diversity of all -- diversity of thought. It is stereotyping and ignorance on your part to assume that anyone who disagrees with this must be homophobes.

 

[Mark 2000]

This isn't the only comment forum in the world. Ever heard of Facebook, for example?

And you think they make a sizable number more? Man, some Trekkies and their over inflated sense of self worth.

 

[JeffinOakland]

And you think they make a sizable number more? Man, some Trekkies and their over inflated sense of self worth.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

 

[BillJ]

Embracing diversity includes the most important diversity of all -- diversity of thought. It is stereotyping and ignorance on your part to assume that anyone who disagrees with this must be homophobes.

Ah, the old "why won't you be tolerant of my intolerance?!?" gambit. Classic.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I wonder if I read it. I pretty much read every Trek novel published in the 80s, but it doesn't ring a bell. Then again, that might not be unusual given the sheer amount of Trek novels there are.

I guess that makes George Takei a homophobe as well, huh?

Embracing diversity includes the most important diversity of all -- diversity of thought. It is stereotyping and ignorance on your part to assume that anyone who disagrees with this must be homophobes.

I don't think he's assuming that at all.

 

[Mark 2000]

You're barking up the wrong tree.

Ok. Nice talking to you.

Ah, the old "why won't you be tolerant of my intolerance?!?" gambit. Classic.

"Bigot" is now a protected class of people.

 

[JN2849]

Ah, the old "why won't you be tolerant of my intolerance?!?" gambit. Classic.

Is George Takei intolerant?

 

[BillJ]

Is George Takei intolerant?

George Takei has a personal connection to the character, and it is unclear what his objection is really about. Do you have any kind of connection to the character?

 

[Squiggy]

Is George Takei intolerant?

He's intolerant of the idea of the character he made famous changing. If you disagree with my observation then you too are intolerant.

See? It's easy to slide down this slope.

 

[JN2849]

George Takei has a personal connection to the character, and it is unclear what his objection is really about.

So you can give an opinion on the creative decisions taken for a fictional character if you have a "personal connection to the character", but you can't if you don't?

Then I guess we should all STFU.

Do you have any kind of connection to the character?

No. Do you?

 

[JN2849]

He's intolerant of the idea of the character he made famous changing. If you disagree with my observation then you too are intolerant.

See? It's easy to slide down this slope.

Easy for you, perhaps. I can't make sense of anything you just said.

My initial response was directed towards the poster who said anyone disagreeing with this was a homophobe. I asked if George Takei was a homophobe?

I never gave my opinion on the subject at all. I'm just engaging in a little devil's advocate.

 

[Kemaiku]

Devil's advocate.

Possibly the easiest and laziest way not to contribute and push away any chance of being given the benefit of the doubt in future. I advise not doing that.

 

[JeffinOakland]

Arguing just to amuse yourself by pushing peoples' buttons is pretty sad. I mean, its rude to waste other peoples' time but just plain stupid to waste your own.

 

[Mark 2000]

Then I guess we should all STFU.

Yes. Exactly.

 

[Nerys Myk]

My initial response was directed towards the poster who said anyone disagreeing with this was a homophobe. I asked if George Takei was a homophobe?

Pretty sure he talked about "homophobic fanboys" and didn't include anyone else

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I guess that makes George Takei a homophobe as well, huh?

Embracing diversity includes the most important diversity of all -- diversity of thought. It is stereotyping and ignorance on your part to assume that anyone who disagrees with this must be homophobes.

George Takei is not a homophobe, but he's unfortunately given them plenty of ammunition to work with in this case. Which is ironic considering they would loathe his opinion in any other discussion about a gay character or LGBT issues, but now suddenly when he's inadvertently on the same side as them, they're delighted to exploit his name as if he's their ally.

Professor Moriarty in no way said that everyone who opposes this change is a bigot, so you can drop the "not all _____ are..." strawman in your devil's advocacy. You don't have to be a bigot to oppose this, but it certainly seems to bring a lot of them out of the woodwork. And no, we don't need to embrace their bigotry as part of a diverse spectrum of acceptable thought. They're entitled to their wrongheaded opinion, but no one else is required to respect it.

Then I guess we should all STFU.

Yes. Exactly.

Mark, I sympathize with your position, but let's not silence people, please. You don't have to agree with or respect their opinions, but they are allowed to express it (within the rules).

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Madge Sinclair was no "extra". She simply chose to go uncredited in that film, IIRC.

Did she ever say why?

 

[Phoenix219]

Ah, the old "why won't you be tolerant of my intolerance?!?" gambit. Classic.

Tolerance, by its own nature and definition, means putting up with something you *don't like or don't approve of.* Beyond that, who in the world has the right to judge and employ a moral code? Who decides what is "good" and what is "bad" to think? Every sentient being has a right to their own value system, and everyone has the right to free speech. Get off your high horse.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Tolerance, by its own nature and definition, means putting up with something you *don't like or don't approve of.* Beyond that, who in the world has the right to judge and employ a moral code? Who decides what is "good" and what is "bad" to think? Every sentient being has a right to their own value system, and everyone has the right to free speech. Get off your high horse.

Society is a little more complex than that.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Did she ever say why?

Maybe she was hiding?

Nerds have been waving her name like a flag for the last 40 years saying 'Look! Star trek is sooo progressive, a woman and black!"

It's almost like she new Google was coming and the first 9000 results for her name search request would be about how she was a defense mechanism from white men whenever someone rails that Star Trek is too white and too male.