piracy discussion - new series
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Using a VPN for your own security purposes is legal. Using a VPN to fool an IP check at Netflix is a violation of the TOS. Netflix has every right to block that and/or cancel your account. Netflix would love to be able to give you all the content it has, but Netflix is only redistributing content that belongs to someone else. As a result, Netflix has to enforce the terms of its license agreement with the content owner. If the owner of a show/movie doesn't want to license the show to Netflix for distribution in Canada because they can make more money licensing it to someone else, that's their right. You don't get to fool Netflix or steal the show because the show owner licensed it to Netflix only in the US and someone else that you don't want to pay for in Canada.
Because the shows on Hulu are sold to cable channels for broadcast in Canada. Those cable channels don't want Hulu stealing customers who would otherwise subscribe, so the cable channels get to decide what the streaming options are in Canada.
That's actually close to my argument, as well....
If I steal your car, you don't have a car in your garage, and I do.
When I download a show, the show is still sitting right where it was before I made my copy of it.
They will make the exact same money either way. I have no disposable income - I own a small business. :P
As far as I'm concerned, if its something that I could have a friend DVR or record on VHS tape for me, that has been aired over public airwaves in any form, then I do not care remotely about downloading a copy.
That said, the new Trek show will not be on airwaves, so my argument doesn't *completely* carry over...
Good lord. You have access to more than one working VCR!!!!!!
I was making a general point, not being literal.....
But that's not quite true. The "stock/resources" are the money spent by CBS to build sets, costumes, props, pay actors, producers, writers, etc. that they don't get back in revenue by CBSAA sales if people pirate the shows. They are not producing fan films here.
Plus, the show, besides being on CBSAA (which one must pay for), is also going to presumably be sold both as downloads from places like iTunes, and have DVD/BR sales. By illegally downloading the shows, one does not have to buy a legal download or a physical media. So there is a physical substance that, while not being stolen, is also not being bought. Hence, CBS still loses money because they're manufacturing a product that no one's going to buy because someone already stole some other form of it.
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By that argument everyone who watched the series legally is also a criminal for not buying the DVDs because watching the stream once, or maintaining the CBSAA subscription indefinitely has made any subsequent DVD purchase unnecessary(, which has nothing to do with piracy).
The Streaming side of CBS and the DVD side of CBS are at war with each other, run by different suits, who want to destroy each other, because it's thunderdonme. Bonuses for the winner, layoffs for the loser, which has also nothing to do with piracy, its just how corporations sometimes structure their departments adversarially to maximise profit.
There are no more video/dvd stores where I live. Gone. Tumbleweeds. I'll blame that on Netflix. Netflix and Redbox. Netflix has killed a few industries on it's rise to the middle. Movie theatres are next.
(Piracy is wrong, and sealing. I just don't care.)
The Streaming side of CBS and the DVD side of CBS are at war with each other, run by different suits, who want to destroy each other, because it's thunderdonme. Bonuses for the winner, layoffs for the loser, which has also nothing to do with piracy, its just how corporations sometimes structure their departments adversarially to maximise profit.
There are no more video/dvd stores where I live. Gone. Tumbleweeds. I'll blame that on Netflix. Netflix and Redbox. Netflix has killed a few industries on it's rise to the middle. Movie theatres are next.
(Piracy is wrong, and sealing. I just don't care.)
They're getting their money through CBSAA streaming.
By your logic, I'm also stealing if I go see a movie in the theater and then don't bother buying the Blu-ray.
It's as simple as this. Piracy is stealing. Don't try to make it sound any better than it is. I do it, you do it, it is what it is. If you can't understand that, I don't know what to tell you.
My point is that if someone doesn't want to pay for CBSAA to watch the new Star Trek show, that's their right. But if they want to watch it by some other means (i.e. purchasing the download legally through iTunes or buying the DVDs/BRs) and instead resort to pirating it off the internet for free, that's still stealing.
I have no intention of getting CBSAA just to see Star Trek. I'm content to wait until the DVDs come out, because I'm a physical media dinosaur. But I'll happily pay the 20 bucks for a disk of 13 episodes.
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This.
I'm still trying to figure out what the consequences are?
Do we live in a world without theft?
Dukhat's logic, I was only following it to farcical conclusions.
The consequences are that you took something that doesn't belong to you without compensating the people who created it and were expecting to be paid for it. If your conscience allows you to justify that to yourself, then obviously there are no consequences for you. But it isn't about you, is it?
Sure it is.
You want me to hand myself into a police station and go to jail.
You want me to hand myself into a police station and go to jail.
There will be no guilt from me.
There will be no consequences to CBS either.
Either Star Trek is shit and it will die, or Star Trek will be fantastic and thrive.
Piracy will not change that.
If claiming that your movie or TV show only failed because the Pirates who have been pirating for years and not paying for anything for years, are still not paying for just your new product, even though you really thought that they would have a change of heart, and suddenly become good people and open their wallets, is the slimmest of margins why Star Trek was not renewed for a second season, then that producer/show runner is ignorant to expect the impossible from the intractable.
Everything is pirated.
Everything is free if you know where to look.
Most people chose to pay.
Blaming Piracy for a shitty TV show that no one is paying to watch is a crutch and denial about the inferior quality of your product.
It's like blaming vegetarians for the rise in price of hamburgers at McDonalds every year.
There will be no consequences to CBS either.
Either Star Trek is shit and it will die, or Star Trek will be fantastic and thrive.
Piracy will not change that.
If claiming that your movie or TV show only failed because the Pirates who have been pirating for years and not paying for anything for years, are still not paying for just your new product, even though you really thought that they would have a change of heart, and suddenly become good people and open their wallets, is the slimmest of margins why Star Trek was not renewed for a second season, then that producer/show runner is ignorant to expect the impossible from the intractable.
Everything is pirated.
Everything is free if you know where to look.
Most people chose to pay.
Blaming Piracy for a shitty TV show that no one is paying to watch is a crutch and denial about the inferior quality of your product.
It's like blaming vegetarians for the rise in price of hamburgers at McDonalds every year.
The original post: Will piracy screw over the new Star Trek series?
That's the question I am answering.
Your contribution is to repeat that something bad is bad. Yes, piracy is bad, only a monster or an idiot would disagree with that, but you're not addressing the (hidden) question in the first post of whether of not Stark Trek might be pirated so extremely well that CBS cancels Star Trek quickly because it cannot generate profit.
That's the question I am answering.
Your contribution is to repeat that something bad is bad. Yes, piracy is bad, only a monster or an idiot would disagree with that, but you're not addressing the (hidden) question in the first post of whether of not Stark Trek might be pirated so extremely well that CBS cancels Star Trek quickly because it cannot generate profit.
So is everyone else.
Ok, fine. Do I think CBS will hurt from piracy of the new Trek series? Probably not. But the reason I and everyone else keeps bringing up the fact that piracy = theft was because someone else kept insisting that it wasn't, and you hopped on their bandwagon. So don't get all pissy with me for taking the opposite road.
Hey, I do agree with you.
I just also happen to be a sociopath.
I just also happen to be a sociopath.
