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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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I am saying it is utterly irrelevant to the question of whether Axanar stole cash value from the IP of the studios, and anyone in a public forum like a Twitter stream who tries to inject observations about the personal lives of anyone in order to evade this fact is at the very least (or really, at the very most) a 10 year old. No offense, and I am not defending, just rejecting the premise that they can inject ad hominems in this way.

It's an online tactic I see in a lot of political forums...where someone cannot refute your point...so they deflect it by saying something outrageous that has nothing to do with the original topic. It's called desperation when losing a debate.
 
Registration confers certain legal benefits in the event you want to file an infringement lawsuit. That's why the registration process exists in the first place. While copyright exists from the moment of publication, failing to register can make infringement more difficult to prove in court.

Well, there's also the fact that, absent certain exceptions that wouldn't likely be applicable here, registration is a prerequisite to filing a lawsuit for copyright infringement (17 U.S.C. Sec. 411(a) ("no civil action for infringement of the copyright in any United States work shall be instituted until preregistration or registration of the copyright claim has been made in accordance with this title")). So C/P is saying that they will not give you a promise to not sue if you take steps with your own work - namely registration of the copyright - that would position you to be able to sue them (or anybody else) later.

And, yes, as noted earlier, the creator of a derivative work based on C/P's copyrightable subject matter (such as a fan-filmmaker) would have an independent copyright on that derivative work from the moment the work is fixed in a tangible medium (though it doesn't give him any copyright claim to the preexisting work on which the derivative work is based.) However, because the original copyright owner (C/P) has the exclusive right to make or authorize derivative works based on the original copyrightable subject matter, the fact that the new derivative work was created without C/P's authorization makes it an infringing derivative work (subject to the usual defenses.) So the fan-filmmaker has a copyright in the derivative work, but also a corresponding liability for infringement.

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Edit to add one correction to your quote - "While copyright exists from the moment of publication" - actually not the case under US law; copyright exist from the moment the work is first fixed in a tangible medium (for example, when you hit "save" on your word processor). Publication is irrelevant to whether and when copyright comes into existence.
 
It does seem to improve the Axanar Trailer :lol:

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"The fan production must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 segments, episodes or parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total, with no additional seasons, episodes, parts, sequels or remakes."

Okay, I'll count that as the 2nd and final installment of the Axanar epic saga. Promise to donors fulfilled, now would someone please get that man off the stage!
 
Ars Technica has a piece up on the guidelines. Here's a choice quote:
In a blog post on Axanar Productions’ site, blogger Jonathan Lane wrote, “By now, you’ve likely heard that CBS and Paramount have finally, after decades of silence, released a series of guidelines for Star Trek fan films to follow and not get sued. Unfortunately, the guidelines were written by a group of over-caffeinated lawyers and licensing employees with little to no understanding of the concept of Star Trek fandom.
In my 15-plus years of working with lawyers, I can tell you they love nothing more than to be insulted, especially by people they happen to be suing.
 
It's an online tactic I see in a lot of political forums...where someone cannot refute your point...so they deflect it by saying something outrageous that has nothing to do with the original topic. It's called desperation when losing a debate.
Also a tactic regularly used by guests on talking head shows. ;)
 
...I read the CBS/Paramount guidelines as an attempt to discourage anyone from registering a copyright that could subsequently be used against them...

This could discourage people who simply have fair use or parody defense from seeking registration. Is that legal, to threaten lawsuit without at least being clear on this point?

It does seem to improve the Axanar Trailer :lol:

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The blue one (Axanar Reframing Distinguished Service Medal) is now awarded to you.

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It's an online tactic I see in a lot of political forums...where someone cannot refute your point...so they deflect it by saying something outrageous that has nothing to do with the original topic. It's called desperation when losing a debate.

So primitive it doesn't even rise to the level of political rhetoric http://www.speaklikeapro.co.uk/Rhetorical_devices.htm

In my 15-plus years of working with lawyers, I can tell you they love nothing more than to be insulted, especially by people they happen to be suing.

Axanar's fan base could suffer from colony collapse at any time, for example from the testimonies beginning to appear. They can't be the red shirts against bear poking indefinitely.
 
It's an online tactic I see in a lot of political forums...where someone cannot refute your point...so they deflect it by saying something outrageous that has nothing to do with the original topic. It's called desperation when losing a debate.

You're completely wrong. By the way, did you know that there's a rare Andean breed of panda bear that eats rainbows for breakfast?
 
Axanar's fan base could suffer from colony collapse at any time, for example from the testimonies beginning to appear. They can't be the red shirts against bear poking indefinitely.

I think that's already begun to happen. There are some rapid fans (just like anywhere) who still are support axanar...but watching them continue to toss grenades on their facebook forum...rational people are beginning to see them for who they are.
 
This could discourage people who simply have fair use or parody defense from seeking registration. Is that legal, to threaten lawsuit without at least being clear on this point?

Well, anyone can threaten to file a lawsuit for any reason, even if the legal merits are questionable. This is why I brought up "Red Shirt Diaries" as an example of parody that would likely be protected from a copyright infringement complaint under fair use. CBS and Paramount are staking out the broadest grounds possible with their guidelines; whether they would all hold up in court is another matter altogether.

Axanar's fan base could suffer from colony collapse at any time, for example from the testimonies beginning to appear. They can't be the red shirts against bear poking indefinitely.

Claiming CBS and Paramount have "no understanding of the concept of Star Trek fandom" makes Star Trek fandom sound like a form of mental illness.
 
And now, according to Axanar Management, Prelude would've been terrible were it not for RMB.

Retroactive Manufactured Blaming?

"Your honor, my client insists that his character, 'Spack', is not an alien. He is just a very stoic elf. Humanity discovered that elves were hiding on Earth this whole time, and then allowed them to join their space adventures. The story just hadn't come to the exposition that would fill these details in, yet...." :rommie:

And if they had just allowed us that additional 15 minutes, we could have gotten to it.
 
That's like the Scalosian version.

Blog post is up:
http://www.gandtshow.com/g-t-show-243-flapdoodle-hootenanny/

YouTube to follow, uh, eventually. :)
Guideline #8 is a disclaimer requirement. Guideline #9 prohibits copyrighting already-copyrighted elements. Because there are original elements within many of these stories (e. g. the Dr. McKennah character in Star Trek Continues), this prohibition may apply. It is not necessary to register a copyright! However, copyright registration makes it easier to bring an infringement claim. Terry opines that CBS and/or Paramount would, if they wished to use McKennah or any storyline in, say, Potemkin, they would compensate the creators. Guideline #10 then prohibits any implication of an IP holder endorsement. It is somewhat similar to guideline #2.
Just a note: Putting Potemkin and compensating anyone for their creation in the same sentence, has been a major No-No for years around the studio.
 
I can't believe Axanar still has their Donor Store open. Seems like the attorney's would've told them to close it. I'm really beginning to question the quality of their representation.
Could be each sale is a separate $150,000 violation.... lol
 
I can't believe Axanar still has their Donor Store open. Seems like the attorney's would've told them to close it. I'm really beginning to question the quality of their representation.

Unless their strategy is based on getting to a trial.

They must have some strong arguments to persuade Alec that he should hold out.

Personally, if I were him though, I'd be thinking about the motivations of anyone who might be offering to drive me off a cliff, or help me drive off a cliff, for free.
 
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