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*Spoilers* U.S.S. Franklin Design?

I'm not sure, but I think I can make out something X - 08 on the nacelles. It's hard to tell.

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hard to read

Probably just Starship Franklin or something.

The concept art says U.S.S. Franklin in the same spot.

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I can not read the writing on the nacelles. It could be anything.

I do not understand some of the captions.

Like, what is a "warp field condensing apparatus"?

And, what are "gas reserves" and "chemical experimentation" and "elemental storage" in the Enterprise engineering zone?
 
I can not read the writing on the nacelles. It could be anything.

I do not understand some of the captions.

Like, what is a "warp field condensing apparatus"?

And, what are "gas reserves" and "chemical experimentation" and "elemental storage" in the Enterprise engineering zone?

Whats anything in Treknology logic?
 
I must confess: looking at the Haynes Manual picture of the USS Franklin, I cannot see any writing, registry, etc on either nacelle... :shrug: ???

Or maybe it's my eyes...

"Instead of a big dark blur, I see a big light blur..."

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The Franklin certainly looks older....and that bridge is way smaller than the NX-01. The size comparison chart makes it look like that ship probably had a crew in the double digits at most. That mission patch certainly makes it look like it's supposed to be an Earth Starfleet ship.
 
According to Memory Alpha, the NX Project was an attempt at breaking Warp 2.

...While in actual onscreen fact, the project was about breaking Warp 5.

The engine design was put through its paces like any engine in the real world, meaning it had to do Warp 1 at one point, and then Warp 2 at another, this latter point being shown in "First Flight" as having taken place in 2143. We don't know anything about the state of the art of warp engines in that year in general, though - many might have been doing warp three easily enough, and some Rigelian rentals might have moved much faster than Warp 5.

Should the Franklin predate Archer's ship? Not until we hear more about this on screen. Could she? Sure. But if we take that one-sentence "backstory" from this unofficial source at face value, we still have to decide whether the class featured more ships than this one, and whether the Franklin herself was the record-breaker, or whether the class in its entirety was designed for this speed.

As for USS or NX or the like, the one thing we know about those is that there is no rule, rhyme or reason to this in the 22nd century yet. Some ships get their registries painted on their hulls (NX-01, NX-02), others do not (Intrepid. No prefix letters are painted ahead of the name on the hull, nor are they visible on shoulder patches. But computer readouts sometimes do show such lettering (USS Enterprise and USS Columbia are specified in "Divergence").

So, nothing exactly wrong with a ship launched in, say, 2148, and named USS Franklin on the hull and the badges. That there would be personnel transporters aboard is in slight contradiction with "Broken Bow" where those are an absolute novelty to our space-savvy heroes. That there would be motorbikes aboard is only problematic in terms of user interfaces: Archer and Kirk both were unable to operate 20th/21st century automobiles efficiently. But perhaps motorcycle interfaces changed less, and nuKirk at least has the basic balancing act covered as he rides 23rd century bikes.

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Franklin could easily fit into the design logic. there's a big enough gap in both the fictional history and advancement between the Delta and the NX Class. There's also a strong sense of familiarity when you line up the Delta, Franklin and NX-01 - it sort of bridges a gap between them. If it breeched Warp 4 then Ent going to 5 isn't pooped on then something happened, it ended up very very far away and got overshadowed by the NX Class as it was just a stepping stone to the (wee bit) bigger and better.

Which is fair enough in story logic. It's also fair enough in terms of never having heard about this step until now considering no one had heard of that other famous Enterprise until 2001.

It also makes sense creatively when thinking about it. If Beyond is putting them into a 'back to basics' situation, why not give them the last link in the chain before the first official starship?
 
The problem with that is that the Franklin is referred to as the "U.S.S." Franklin, the prefix of which wasn't given to Starfleet vessels until after the formation of the Federation per ENT. Of course, this could just be a mistake on the movie's part.
In fairness, towards the end both Enterprise and Columbia had USS in front of their names on the display in the episode where they do the weird warp connect thing so Trip can transfer from one to the other, and the pre-ENT XCV-330 had a USS in front of it.
 
In fairness, towards the end both Enterprise and Columbia had USS in front of their names on the display in the episode where they do the weird warp connect thing so Trip can transfer from one to the other...

Yes, I know. That was the scene we've been talking about in another thread. And the graphic designers responsible for that scene have admitted that it was a mistake.
 
It is my opinion, after reading the article and seeing the pictures in person, that the writing on the nacelles have been reversed. (NILKNARF S.S.U.). I do not think this starship had its registry displayed on the hull.
 
A quick USS Franklin/Enterprise NX-01 comparison:
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The thing I notice when the Franklin NX01 are side-by-side, is that the scale seems different. The Franlin's windows are bigger, so it makes me wonder if it is a smaller ship. The NX was around 225M, which is a little over 2/3 the length of a TOS connie. However, the windows on the Franklin are about twice the size. That could mean that the Franklin is about half the size of the NX, putting it around the size of (or slightly larger than) a B'rel class Klingon Bird of Prey, somewhere between 88-112 M.

Also, at least with the lay out where the consoles are located, the Franklin reminds me of the HMS Bounty KBOP bridge:
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net...ision/latest?cb=20090607141924&path-prefix=en
 
Yeah, the Franklin is looking to be the smallest starship yet, bigger than a Runabout but smaller than the Defiant.
 
If that is the case, I wonder how many Enterprise crew casualties there will be. Going from a ship larger than the Enterprise-D to a ship that is B'rel size would definitely be cramped. Even if the Abramsverse Enterprise crew is the same as the TOS counterpart at just over 400, that still is pretty cramped if all hands are saved, and end up on the Franklin!
 
I guess a big chunk of the crew will end up in those "cave" emprisonment, where they will be killed/assimilated/???, judging by Zoe Saldanas severe shock reaction....
That being said, they will probably save most of them, fly only with a sceleton/action crew on the Franklin back to Starbase Yorktown, have their climatic battle/finale there, and will rescue the survivors afterwards from the planet before the credits start rolling...
 
I guess a big chunk of the crew will end up in those "cave" emprisonment, where they will be killed/assimilated/???, judging by Zoe Saldanas severe shock reaction....
That being said, they will probably save most of them, fly only with a sceleton/action crew on the Franklin back to Starbase Yorktown, have their climatic battle/finale there, and will rescue the survivors afterwards from the planet before the credits start rolling...

Or maybe it's just the Magnificent Seven themselves (plus Jaylah) that make the trip. You want stripped down? No ship OR crew.
 
But if we take that one-sentence "backstory" from this unofficial source at face value
Well according to the blurb at the bottom of the page, this was made in co-operation with Bad Robot. So they must have some sort of legitimacy.
 
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