Insulting Comments

[Captain Ice]

Holy thread resurrection, Batman.

Yes, this thread is eight years old, but, as there is a good discussion getting started again I am going to leave this open.

Folks, please do be mindful when you reply to a thread of how long it has been since anyone else has actually posted in it. Sometimes it is better to start a new thread about an old topic rather than resurrect a long dead thread.

 

[rhubarbodendron]

yep, but sometimes it's interesting to compare old and new opinions directly.

Having gone through a somewhat chubby phase myself, I can personally attest that being in shape feels much better, and makes for better test results from the doctor's periodic check-ups, and also looks better.

But we love you all the same, regardless of whether you are a copy of Twiggy or of Akebono! And as a Bavarian saying states: looks wane, acres remain

Feeling better and being healthier is a very good point, though. That's imo a valid reason for wanting to lose weight.
However, don't exaggerate it: as every oncologist will confirm, patients who are slightly overweight have a higher chance to survive a cancer treatment. Mortality is significantly higher in thin persons as they have insufficient energy reserves for such emergencies as a chemo.

 

[DimesDan]

yep, but sometimes it's interesting to compare old and new opinions directly.

But we love you all the same, regardless of whether you are a copy of Twiggy or of Akebono! And as a Bavarian saying states: looks wane, acres remain

Feeling better and being healthier is a very good point, though. That's imo a valid reason for wanting to lose weight.
However, don't exaggerate it: as every oncologist will confirm, patients who are slightly overweight have a higher chance to survive a cancer treatment. Mortality is significantly higher in thin persons as they have insufficient energy reserves for such emergencies as a chemo.

Both my father and my step father died of Cancer and both of them were very over weight at the beginning of treatment, so, anychance of a link or three to your assertions there please.

 

[Spot261]

http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/bodyweight-and-cancer

Your chances of getting cancer increases if you are overweight, although that isn't strictly the point being made.

 

[DimesDan]

http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/bodyweight-and-cancer

Your chances of getting cancer increases if you are overweight, although that isn't strictly the point being made.

Oh I know it's not and I understand the link, the point was that if you're overweight, you have a better chance of surviving the treatment, of my admittedly limited experience (thank god) this isn't strictly the case. Of the two cancers they died of, my step dad was 41 and diagnosed with bowl cancer (and died in 2010) and my father was 56 and diagnosed with a form of penis cancer and died last year.

Now in comparison, my nan (dad's mum) was diagnosed with breast cancer when she was 68, went through chemo and radio and is still with us and she has always been very petite and slim and my niece, well she was three months old (and starts secondary school in September) when she was diagnosed with a form of eye cancer, luckily she kept her eyes and she survived treatment and everything and she was, well being a baby/toddler going through treatment, she certainly wasn't overweight.

As for being overweight and certain illnesses affecting you more, type two diabetes is one of them too and more often than not and getting put in with that can be infuriating sometimes.

 

[Spot261]

More relevent but for some reason won't show as a link, you'll need to manually type I guess:

https://ro-journal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13014-014-0319-y

Edit: it worked after all!

 

[rhubarbodendron]

^^ my comment was based on personal experience (both my own and several family members) and the unanimous opinion of all our respective ocologists. No link possible, I'm afraid, as those opinions were given in speech.

I absolutely agree that massive overweight and obesity can cause cancer or reduce your chances, but a few pounds too many are ideal if you have to undergo a chemo or radiation therapy (which latter is basically a chemo light, by ist physical effects. been there, done that for 5 years and fortunately got only one little scar from an improperly focused ray)

 

[Gryffindorian]

Oh look, dead thread necromancy.



Having gone through a somewhat chubby phase myself, I can personally attest that being in shape feels much better, and makes for better test results from the doctor's periodic check-ups, and also looks better.

Kor

I'm diabetic (as are most of my family members), so I definitely have to be careful with my "numbers" - blood glucose, A1C level, cholesterol, etc. I've been managing my numbers pretty well for the most part, though I've also been eating out more lately. I do cardio exercise on my elliptical machine every day, and I eat a mostly healthful breakfast (oatmeal) and dinner (salads) during the week.

 

[DimesDan]

my comment was based on personal experience

Ok then, well my personal experience doesn't tally with your opinion that if:

as every oncologist will confirm, patients who are slightly overweight have a higher chance to survive a cancer treatment. Mortality is significantly higher in thin persons as they have insufficient energy reserves for such emergencies as a chemo.

If that was the case, there would be atleast one study on that link, maybe even more than one.

I'm diabetic

One or Two?

 

[Kemaiku]

Well shit, I'm on the low edge of the BMI scale.

Oh wait, that's a load of shit anyway...phew.

 

[Gryffindorian]

I'm Type II, same as my parents, brother, and three sisters.

 

[rhubarbodendron]

If that was the case, there would be atleast one study on that link, maybe even more than one.

Difficult as most studies contain so much technobabble that it's not easy to find one in a foreign langauge that a layperson can grasp. Interestingly, this German article quotes a study published by the Journal of American Medical Assiciation. I take the liberty to translate the respective section from German technobabble into the best of my English one:

[...]the results of a research group of the Center for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, USA, with 2.88 millions of test subjects.

According to them, statistically, mortality of people with a BMI between 25 and 30 - that is overweight [but not obese] - is nowadays not higher but in fact even lower than in thin people , for example those with a BMI of 20.

Though plump people have a higher risk of diabetes and heart trouble, these illnesses can be treated very well today. On the other hand, these people are apparently more resistant to severe illnesses like for example cancer. Also, they suffer less bone fractures, according to the study.
Yet, beyond a BMI of 30 the body is stressed so much that mortality rises again.

That was my pont: slight overweight makes you more resiliant, obesity or underweight decreases your chances.
Unfortunately, I am unable to find the respective article on the CDC's website as I don't know the original title. Maybe some native speaker can find it?

 

[Bluewhale]

^^ my comment was based on personal experience (both my own and several family members) and the unanimous opinion of all our respective ocologists. No link possible, I'm afraid, as those opinions were given in speech.

I absolutely agree that massive overweight and obesity can cause cancer or reduce your chances, but a few pounds too many are ideal if you have to undergo a chemo or radiation therapy (which latter is basically a chemo light, by ist physical effects. been there, done that for 5 years and fortunately got only one little scar from an improperly focused ray)

I was told to put on some weight (but not to become obese) in case I needed further treatment. I was pretty much in the middle of the healthy range for my height but I had lost weight. I'm sure each person reacts differently. It's more to do with general health at the time. I'm actually slightly underweight at the moment but I'm really very unwell and have lost a lot of muscle tone. I'm sure I wouldn't do as well as some overweight person with better overall health.

 

[DimesDan]

I'm Type II, same as my parents, brother, and three sisters.

Wow, that's impressive, I assume most of the potential rick factors of type two were or are evident, and I'm type one here and it just happened, no family history and it was probably triggered by the stress of my parents divorce when I was 14.

Difficult as most studies contain so much technobabble that it's not easy to find one in a foreign langauge that a layperson can grasp.

I'm not sure if I should be offended or not given it was aimed at me, I'll just assume you mean people in general.

Interestingly, this German article quotes a study published by the Journal of American Medical Assiciation. I take the liberty to translate the respective section from German technobabble into the best of my English one:

Thanks.

 

[rhubarbodendron]

^yep, I was indeed speaking in general terms, referring to people with no professional medical background. To the best of my recollection I have never learned what your profession is. Sorry for not making that plainer. (Not meaning to imply that you ain't smart!! - Argh! English is one big snare of a language, with all these hidden undertones and second meanings!)

Slightly off-topic regarding to weight and deseases, yet in-topic with the original thread topic:
I find it somewhat scary how easy it is to accidentially insult people on the internet. Of course there's the different language and cultural differences (if for example you addressed a German as a motherfucker he'd very likely tell you quite calmly that his sexual preferences lie elsewhere. The mf-word does not exist in our language and we take it literally therefore. Plus incest is no crime here as long as both are of age and no offspring can result). But apart from all these "background differences", has it ever occurred to you how little we actually know even about people whom we have posted with for years? Like what they do for a living or what their real names are? Or even what their gender is?
When you know so little about the other person, it's easy to put your foot in it [now this looks weird. is it grammatically correct??].

 

[auntiehill]

Yes. "Put your foot in it," or the more American, "put your foot in your mouth," is a generally understood figure of speak, taken as to speak without thinking or unintentionally saying something that causes trouble or offense.

 

[Bluewhale]

^yep, I was indeed speaking in general terms, referring to people with no professional medical background. To the best of my recollection I have never learned what your profession is. Sorry for not making that plainer. (Not meaning to imply that you ain't smart!! - Argh! English is one big snare of a language, with all these hidden undertones and second meanings!)

Slightly off-topic regarding to weight and deseases, yet in-topic with the original thread topic:
I find it somewhat scary how easy it is to accidentially insult people on the internet. Of course there's the different language and cultural differences (if for example you addressed a German as a motherfucker he'd very likely tell you quite calmly that his sexual preferences lie elsewhere. The mf-word does not exist in our language and we take it literally therefore. Plus incest is no crime here as long as both are of age and no offspring can result). But apart from all these "background differences", has it ever occurred to you how little we actually know even about people whom we have posted with for years? Like what they do for a living or what their real names are? Or even what their gender is?
When you know so little about the other person, it's easy to put your foot in it [now this looks weird. is it grammatically correct??].

Great points rhubarbodendron and worthy of a a new thread I think? So is your 'weird' looking phrase that is definitely a cultural saying.

This is a little off topic, but in response to the last couple of posts. It is so true about easily offending people without meaning to. Your written English as well as your grammar are both very good. I found the m-f reaction very different to my reaction to it.

English isn't a static language, and I guess other languages are also constantly changing or in the process of evolving. I've worked with many people from overseas and find even if they have English as their first language they find it difficult to understand many phrases we use here I Australia or in other regions. For example: a someone with red hair is often called 'bluey'; 'bring a plate' means to contribute to a meal with food. Many visitors have been caught out with this one and thought the host was short of plates! Fags can mean cigarettes; hang on a tick means wait a moment; powdering your nose means go to the toilet as does take a slash and take a leak; a chip off the old block means just like a parent as does the apple doesn't fall far from the tree; taking pot luck usually means I don't know what's for dinner but you are welcome to join us; love darts can mean those little red cocktail sausages, also called little boys. Having a hissy fit means a tirade or tantrum; take the bull by the horns means you are going straight to the point; and then your If I go interstate the deli article called Devon here means Strasburg elsewhere. A scallop can also be layered potato. Breaking one off means having a poo; having a crap relates to the early inventor who invented the flush toilet (I think). Poor Mr Crapper immortalised forever.

Then add to that popular culture among many young people which adds another dimension, many of which I don't understand. Then social media cues - eg POS meaning parent over shoulder.

No wonder people are confused by different languages!

 

[trekkiedane]

^Actually, Mr. Thomas Crapper didn't invent the water closet, he was merely a very successful manufacturer of them (to the point of having other people doing the actual manufacturing and then selling them under his name (always put on the device in a highly visible way).

(Partly Wikipedia and partly Qi-knowledge here!)

 

[rhubarbodendron]

A Dutch TrekBBs member once wrote a very interesting newspaper article about the history of the toilet. I think it was AdAstra. He dug up sme amazing facts. I can't find his original article online, but one of his fellow Netherlanders wrote a very nice article as well (alas, not in English) http://historiek.net/de-geschiedenis-van-de-wc/52669/

Thanks, bluewhale, for explaining such a lot of phrases. There were quite a few that I hadn't known previousely. =)

 

[TrickyDickie]

This is quite telling:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/25/woman-fat-suit-tinder-date_n_5881330.html

So many people are shallow as the day is long....