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Game Of Thrones Season 6 Discussion (Spoilers)

Serpentine, Rickon! Serpentine!. I knew his chances of survival in the clutches of Ramsay were incredibly slim, but it was still gut-wrenching to watch him make it to within feet of Jon before taking an arrow to the knee... heart. I actually thought his best chance of making it was that Ramsay would instead try and kill Jon after drawing him out in the open like that.

I know Jon was still reeling from Rickon being killed in front of him, but I was really hoping he wouldn't fall for Ramsay's trap (which Sansa warned him about) and would return to his own lines so that they would have to come to their entrenched position. It was going to be an ugly slugfest no matter what, but Jon ended up costing a lot more lives and would have been defeated if the horselords of Rohan hadn't shown up to save them.

So, with Rickon out of the way, Jon a bastard (and possibly a cousin), and Bran out of the picture for now, Sansa becomes Lady of Winterfell and probably owes Pervy McCreeperton a marriage to either him or that little momma's boy shitweasel Robyn to secure their alliance now that the Northern armies are seriously depleted. Neither of which is a very promising partnership for her, but I guess Robyn is the lesser of two weasels since he could possibly be molded into something approaching a halfway decent approximation of a human over time, while Littlefinger should have to register as a sex offender in all seven kingdoms.

Wun-Wun, you magnificent bastard, you and your conversation skills will be sorely missed. Pretend this is an entire oak barrel of Colt .45 being poured out in your honor:
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It felt odd having Yara/Asha and Theon just standing there making a proposal to Daenarys without any setup. We should have at least seen the Ironborn fleet enter the harbor and have Tyrion give an "Oh, shit, what now?" expression before revealing they were there to form an alliance. But I'm totally shipping Yarys Targreyyn. Daenasha? Greygaryn? Tarjoy? This needs to happen... for science.

Also, Theon can now join a Dicksanbollocks Argononnus support group with the Unsullied and Varys if he returns from his undisclosed location, so maybe he'll snap out of his funk.

Meereen has been tedious as hell this season, but it was pretty awesome when all three dragons went Apocalypse Now on the Master's command ship. I guess that answers our question from earlier in the season after Tyrion took their chains off about how the dragons would get out. They just had to bust down the wall. It was nice of them to wait for Mom to give them permission.

I'm glad they're finally going to give us some resolution with the Shireen sacrifice and Davos finding out what happened. I knew when they camped out in the same location as before it would have to come up. That was a very powerful and well-shot scene with Davos at the pyre without even a word having to be said.

The battle itself was just brutal. That minute long bit in the middle where Jon was being trampled on and couldn't breathe is something you know must have happened all the time in those ancient battles yet I've never seen it depicted that I can recall. It was such a claustrophobic scene that really made you feel like you were there experiencing it. This is the same director who filmed Hardhome, and hopefully they let him handle all the big battle episodes from now on, because he's got a real knack for it. He's also directing the season finale. I'd love to see what he could do with a blockbuster movie budget.

Finally, after seeing the Master's being upstaged for the umpteenth time (so it's kind of old hat at this point), the truly satisfying moment came when Ramsay got fed to his hungry dogs. It was a little strange to have Sanaa repeat that Ramsay had said he hadn't fed the dogs in seven days since he actually taunted Jon and his men with that after she had left the battlefield parlay, but I figured Jon must have told her that as a *hint**hint* "Hey, you know what would be a great way to get revenge on Ramsay?" bit of big brotherly advice.

But all in all, apart from the sad but understandable moments like losing Rickon and Wun-Wun, it was a VERY satisfying and enjoyable episode with arguably the best battle scenes ever done on TV. If the Faith Militant get their comeuppance in the finale it will have been even more satisfying, but Cersei being Cersei, instead of just burning down the Great Sept, she's possibly going to go full Mad King and burn all of King's Landing to the ground with Wildfyre. You never go full Mad King.
 
Amazing episode of course. On the other hand, the entire episode was entirely predictable. There wasn't one actual surprise, aside from Tormund surviving. I expected Ramsay to kill Rickon... Jon to change like an idiot... his army to get completely defeated... the Rider of Rohan to show up at the last second... the Giant to die... Ramsay to die horrifically...

Oh wait, one thing I expected didn't happen and should have. The Theon fleet should have shown up behind the Masters' fleet, trapping them in Slavers Bay and preventing their retreat, leading to a hasty alliance.

My biggest complaint? GIVE WUN WUN A WEAPON AND A SHIELD!!! HE'S FIGHTING WITH HIS BARE HANDS! NO WONDER HE DIED!!!

And yeah, if someone is shooting arrows at you as you run away... running in a STRAIGHT LINE is not the brightest idea... :brickwall:
 
With Rickon's death, it looks like eventually a lot of the Seven Kingdoms will be ruled by women. :)
If there's anything left to rule. Wasn't Danny's vision from way back in season 1 (or maybe early 2) that she was sitting on the throne, but place was a collapsed ruin with snow coming in through the open roof? Not much to rule there...
 
First of all i am sad to see Ramsay Bolton die so soon. He led a tragic life. His mom died after he was born. His dad was "poisoned" . His stepmom and stepbrother ate by dogs. His wife run away with his trusted servant. His girl on the side killed by the same servant. A wilding tried to murder him when he was seeking solace. Now he lost his lands and life.

R.I.P, you cunt.
 
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Yeah the battle might have been predictable, but it was awesome to behold nevertheless. Remember in season 1 when they couldn't even show one second of a large battle? Not only did we get the Battle of the Bastards, but we got the fantastic scene of Dany reigning down some dragonfire on the master's ship.

Wun Wun went out like a boss! Tormund lives! Ramsay dead! Now we wait to see what Mayor/Governor Carcetti demands of Sansa.

Rickon, we hardly knew ye. I mean, literally...
 
For all of its glorious and bloody battling, the truest highlight of the episode for me is summed up in this quiet little moment:

"You don't have to be here."
"Yes, I do."

Sansa confronts her rapist with her head high with confident assurance that she will have her revenge. "You're going to die tomorrow. Sleep well." And in the end, she got her revenge, and although it was not directly by her hand, his gruesome death at his own hounds' jaws was truly satisfying. While Sansa's actual rape was depicted in poor taste, I've been very happy with how the show has written her character in the aftermath. She's been given strength and courage to deal with her ordeal in order to face her attacker. Hopefully she'll now be able to move forward in her life.

Sadly, Rickon died as quickly as he returned. His death makes sense within the scope of the show, but I highly suspect his role (and Osha's) will play out differently in the books. It's a pity he appeared in only two scenes since his return and never spoke a line.

As others have stated, the battlefield sequences were incredible. I was especially impressed by the eloquently-crafted cinematography, particularly Jon's first-person viewpoint fighting on the ground against the cavalry and his near-suffocation in the pile of bodies, Those unique perspectives gave the small battle a refreshing look to hand--to-hand combat that we don't typically see.

Likewise, Daenerys' face-off with the slave masters was very enjoyable, both with all three dragons united again and Tyrion and Grey Worm's verbal punching. Further, I loved how Daenerys and Yara found mutual empowerment during their brief conversation. I also thoroughly Tyrion's tongue lashing against Theon.

It felt odd having Yara/Asha and Theon just standing there making a proposal to Daenarys without any setup. We should have at least seen the Ironborn fleet enter the harbor and have Tyrion give an "Oh, shit, what now?" expression before revealing they were there to form an alliance.
Yeah, that was an awkward transition but I guess it was done for the sake of timing, although it's a pity that didn't do what Mr. Light suggested: Their fleet showing up to blockade the slave masters' fleet.

But I'm totally shipping Yarys Targreyyn. Daenasha? Greygaryn? Tarjoy? This needs to happen... for science.
Absolutely. Who says Daenerys needs a king? A queen will suffice.

Also, Theon can now join a Dicksanbollocks Argononnus support group with the Unsullied and Varys if he returns from his undisclosed location, so maybe he'll snap out of his funk.
Sounds like a great pitch for a buddy sitcom. Call it Dickless Anonymous.

Meereen has been tedious as hell this season, but it was pretty awesome when all three dragons went Apocalypse Now on the Master's command ship. I guess that answers our question from earlier in the season after Tyrion took their chains off about how the dragons would get out. They just had to bust down the wall. It was nice of them to wait for Mom to give them permission.
It also answers the question of how little they've grown in captivity in comparison to Drogon. Now that they're free again, will they continue to grow and catch up in size?

I'm glad they're finally going to give us some resolution with the Shireen sacrifice and Davos finding out what happened. I knew when they camped out in the same location as before it would have to come up. That was a very powerful and well-shot scene with Davos at the pyre without even a word having to be said.
Agreed. I was surprised he didn't confront Melisandre right there and then, but I guess he didn't have the time with the sun rising. I wonder where the confrontation will go considering she hasn't done anything for most of the season.

If the Faith Militant get their comeuppance in the finale it will have been even more satisfying, but Cersei being Cersei, instead of just burning down the Great Sept, she's possibly going to go full Mad King and burn all of King's Landing to the ground with Wildfyre. You never go full Mad King.
I think it's inevitable considering Tyrion's fresh reminder of Aerys' actions. And let's not forget Daenerys' vision in the House of the Undying: She saw the throne room roofless.

And yeah, if someone is shooting arrows at you as you run away... running in a STRAIGHT LINE is not the brightest idea... :brickwall:
Easy for you to say in the comfort of your home. Rickon is scared for his life and he has no combat experience. He's just trying to escape as fast as he can.

If there's anything left to rule. Wasn't Danny's vision from way back in season 1 (or maybe early 2) that she was sitting on the throne, but place was a collapsed ruin with snow coming in through the open roof? Not much to rule there...
Yup, in the end of season 2, she walks through the roofless throne room during her vision in the House of the Undying.

First of all i am sad to see Ramsay Bolton die so soon. He led a tragic life. His mom died after he was born. His dad was "poisoned" . His stepmom and stepbrother ate by dogs. His wife run away with his trusted servant. His girl on the side killed by the same servant. A wilding tried to murder him when he was seeking solace. Now he lost his lands and life.

R.I.P, you cunt.
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And yeah, if someone is shooting arrows at you as you run away... running in a STRAIGHT LINE is not the brightest idea... :brickwall:
Rickon went to the Prometheus school of certain death. Like flashbacks from a bad LSD trip, I kept imagining a gazillion ton spacecraft rolling right behind him. Squish.

I didn't believe any writer or director would repeat that infamous travesty within the next 50 years, but here we are.
 
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The Idiot Plot and Women are Wiser tropes seemed to dominate this episode. Thankfully, Cersei's still around.
AHAHAHAHAHA!

Queen Danerys Targaryan
Queen to be Yara Greyjoy
Queen Margery Tyrell B̶a̶r̶a̶t̶h̶e̶o̶n̶
Lady Sansa: Wardeness of the North
Olenna Tyrell: Queen of Thorns

and Cersei Lannister Queen of bad decisions.
 
Rickon went to the Prometheus school of certain death. Like flashbacks from a bad LSD trip, I kept imagining a gazillion ton spacecraft rolling right behind him. Squish.

I didn't believe any writer or director would repeat that infamous travesty within the next 50 years, but here we are.
As I said earlier:
Easy for you to say in the comfort of your home. Rickon is scared for his life and he has no combat experience. He's just trying to escape as fast as he can.



Queen Danerys Targaryan
Queen to be Yara Greyjoy
Queen Margery Tyrell B̶a̶r̶a̶t̶h̶e̶o̶n̶
Lady Sansa: Wardeness of the North
Olenna Tyrell: Queen of Thorns

and Cersei Lannister Queen of bad decisions.
Actually, this is a good correlation to draw. The world is transforming from the War of the Five Kings (and the King Beyond the Wall) to a subdued War of the Queens.
 
This was a brilliantly made episode. Sadly, it's unable to achieve greatness in my mind, because the outcomes of every single scene were a foregone conclusion, in several cases obvious weeks ago. It's like a paint by numbers. The final product feels manufactured, rather than organic, but damn if there wasn't a ton of craft put into the work. I feel like I should have a much higher opinion of the ep than I do on first watch, just in response to the quality of the acting, the direction and the obvious care and attention put into the staging. But it has the air of anticlimax when we've spent all season expecting it, and it went through the motions of checking off all the expected boxes one after the next.

If nothing else, however, it leaves us in an interesting place for next week.
 
Holy crap on a stick! :lol::techman:

Well.. when the episode is named Battle of the Bastards you get what you came for but i didn't expect 2 big ass battles for the price of one. Everyone was talking about the North so maybe some have forgot Mereen and Dany but she reminded everyone that she's become quite the Conqueror when she torched the Slaver ship with 3 Dragons. So i guess once word spreads to the Masters that problem is done because what else can they do now that she has overwhelming military power and the support and admiration of the general population (minus former Masters of course).

It still was funny to see a scared Tyrion when he had to report to Dany why her city is under siege.. Dany has a seriously good pokerface and i can't help but wonder if she intentionally let Tyrion hang for a while before she let him off the hook. She would have likely done the same when advised by Tyrion and Varys, they do share some ideals even if Tyrion and Varys are more realistic in their approach (but Dany is learning fast it seems).

Their meeting with Theon and Asha was also pure gold.. Tyrion twisting the knife a little in Theon showed that even if he wears personal armor to shield him from insults (as spoken about in season 1 between him and Jon) he won't forget insults easily. However i half expected Dany and Asha to fistbump each other while shouting "Girl Power!" :lol:

Well then.. the Battle of the Bastards.

Earlier in the thread i basically called it how it would go but of course it was telegraphed a mile away how the battle would unfold. It doesn't take away from the impact or the visuals but i expected some bigger twists in the battle or even the death of a major good guy (Davos maybe or even Jon) but everybody made it through and Ramsay lost as expected. However Sansa getting her revenge was even better than just beheading him and her smiling as she walked away was both chilling and understandable.

Now that the good guys won in true Hollywood fashion i wonder if Martin is losing steam or we have just become jaded by years of fan favorites dying horrible deaths that we can't appreciate the good guys pulling off a major win.. at least i feel like this. Of course i love that the Starks have reclaimed Winterfell (and barring any catastrophic events they are there to stay for the time being) and i am thrilled that Ramsay has met his gruesome death but it still felt a little bit too Hollywood. I wonder if Martin still has some tricks up his sleeve and it won't be as simple as Dany running over Westeros, learning of the White Walkers and then joining forces with the Starks to defeat them in a gigantic battle while Bran deals with the Night King once and for all by way of his superpowers.

While everyone loves hero stories Martin's books were always more complex and layered and i just hope he stays that way to the end.

Anyway.. Season Finale will probably play out a good time in Kings Landing, propelling that storyline forward. Margaery executing her plan, Cersei using her scorched earth policy (if rumors are true then literally scorched earth) and the Sparrow in the middle of it all. Should be very interesting and it'll be the first day of my vacation so how better to start my free time than the season finale of GoT? ;)
 
Easy for you to say in the comfort of your home. Rickon is scared for his life and he has no combat experience. He's just trying to escape as fast as he can.
Written as if Rickon is a sentient being independent of the screenplay and director. Not.

Now that the good guys won in true Hollywood fashion i wonder if Martin is losing steam... it still felt a little bit too Hollywood. I wonder if Martin still has some tricks up his sleeve and it won't be as simple as...
It is now in the hands of the show's producers and writers - not Martin - except for his occasional guidance and chapter previews. If it feels a little "Hollywood," that's why. Martin has been very gracious about the amount of control he freely hands over to the show. The remaining books may be quite different. Time will tell.
 
Maybe but they still follow the general story so Martin writing the Battle of Winterfel as a loss to the Starks and the producers making it a win doesn't mix. I understand that some things were pretty big deviations (Lady Stoneheart for example though the verdict is still out given that the Brotherhood is part of the show once again) but this appears to be a cornerstone of the story that shouldn't be easy to change.

Well, in the end it doesn't matter.. this was the season where the good guys pull off some wins and they earned it a thousand times over.
 
But it has the air of anticlimax when we've spent all season expecting it, and it went through the motions of checking off all the expected boxes one after the next.

I have to disagree, anticlimax would be if a 16 ton weight just suddenly fell on Ramsay out of nowhere, everyone else surrendered and no battle took place. Or if Ramsay won.
This episode is essentially the textbook definition of climax in a narrative work, all the stuff that was set up pays off, every character acts in accordance to their progressing character arcs, and some things get resolved.

Major twists and setbacks for protagonists are fine and all, but they can't go on forever, sometimes things should go as expected, sometimes the good guys should have a win, especially now as the show is going into the final stretch.
 
Great episode but I felt sorry for Rickon and the kid who plays him. Finally gets to come back after three years and doesn't even get a single line!
I always kinda thought he was never given much to do as he wasn't really an experienced actor, been very young when he was cast back in Season 1. But coincidentally I saw the Dwayne Johnson movie San Andreas the other day and noticed he was in that in a fairly major role and wasn't a bad actor at all (as much as you can be in a movie like that.) So it's a shame they literally gave him nothing to do in this.
 
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