Quite. I suspect that the Vulcans in this early time period are just getting over their failings from the Enterprise time period.
I love Enterprise.
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Quite. I suspect that the Vulcans in this early time period are just getting over their failings from the Enterprise time period.
Makes sense to me. As I recall, when I watched TOS as a youngster, I never liked the Vulcans as a whole. I found them rather arrogant and condescending. I liked Spock as an individual.
Likewise, in ENT, I was not a Vulcan fan for the same reason. I enjoyed individual Vulcans, however. Among them T'Pol, Soval, V'Lar ("Fallen Hero") and Mestral. Oh..and Kos turned out to be an honorable guy.
Huh. I'll have to watch TOS again more closely. The ones I remember came off more stiff, but I never thought they were arrogant before ENT.
I think the heat TPol took as a character was because she was held up against Spock as a character. But even within the TOS narrative, he stood out for being part human and not quite able to kill all his emotion. If anything, she should've been compared with Tuvok, who in the Trek world is the Miles O'Brien Everyman of Vulcans; one who has no identity crisis and has a mastery on his logic. By that litmus test, I have no problem at all with her as a character, apart from the drug use story they wrote in to justify the change.
I think the heat TPol took as a character was because she was held up against Spock as a character. But even within the TOS narrative, he stood out for being part human and not quite able to kill all his emotion. If anything, she should've been compared with Tuvok, who in the Trek world is the Miles O'Brien Everyman of Vulcans; one who has no identity crisis and has a mastery on his logic. By that litmus test, I have no problem at all with her as a character, apart from the drug use story they wrote in to justify the change.
Oh the bit where she snorts Trellium..... Yeah that was a bit off. Did not make sense. But her acting was great there. Full of emotion.
I recall some rather slimy Vulcans turning up in DS9. Did not like them at all. I was very annoyed at the time that they were "ruining" Vulcans. ENT fixed that for me to some extent by showing that there were a variety of Vulcan personalities; they weren't just logic machines or self-hating decepticons.
Yeah, the ones that hit up DS9 in season seven were assholes, for sure.
Actually, a lot of Trek FM hosts agree with you. I never got why T'Pol was constantly compared to Spock. About 20 minutes into this podcast, they say Spock was trying to be more Vulcan than Vulcan. If people don't like her, fine, but that's a stupid reason not to.
http://trek.fm/warp-five/90
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One thing I will say that hurt the character was trying to make her the sex kitten of the show, because there was one reason, and one reason only for that decon scene in the premiere 
I won't lie, the clip I saw in terms series trailer caught my eye, but I was frigging fifteen FFS! It just wasn't needed, although I will say the bright colored suits and new haircut was much more flattering than her old one made from the same material as adult Molly's catsuit from DS9's Time's Orphan (I'm not making that up, it's the EXACT same pattern, with added sleeves!).
I won't lie, the clip I saw in terms series trailer caught my eye, but I was frigging fifteen FFS! It just wasn't needed, although I will say the bright colored suits and new haircut was much more flattering than her old one made from the same material as adult Molly's catsuit from DS9's Time's Orphan (I'm not making that up, it's the EXACT same pattern, with added sleeves!).
The thing is when you turn a character into a sex kitten, some people are going to be distracted or put off no matter how well written they are. I also don't think Jolene Blalock would have taken so much flack for her acting if T'Pol was not the designated babe of the show. Some of this also happened with Troi and Seven.
That decon scene was cringeworthy to me. And I never liked the cat suits! I found the outfits in season 3 and 4 to be more flattering to Jolene..not to mention the hair style being much improved. I am also of the mind that when T'Pol resigned from the High Command to become part of the Enterprise crew (an awesome move BTW), she should've been in the same uniform..which I actually found quite flattering to Jolene. (I believe she was wearing it in Twilight)
Kira Nerys also wore a catsuit like thing (and even both Dax ladies got a slightly tighter than the males Starfleet costume), but the biggest difference were that she was seen by the writers as a character first and a object of fanboy lust as a distant second, and it showed in nearly every episode she appeared in. Seven of Nine was very much created to attract fanboys and that too was very apparent. It's a shame because Jeri Ryan has far more talent than Star Trek Voyaer's writing staff was capable of utilizing.
To be fair, Kira's catsuit wasn't as tight as Seven or T'Pol's. But your point still stands, both Ryan and Blalock were done a great disservice. And not to miss anyone, there's nice interview with Marina Sirtis in Star Trek magazine. It was so obvious that Troi was just window dressing that Sirtis was scared they were going to write her out of the show. It took a lot longer for Troi to become a useful part of the crew than the other babes but she was the only one who got to ditch the catsuit.
And Beverly Crusher had a tight uniform most of the time.
And Ishara Yar who made one appearance on the show had a bit of cameltoe going on
And Ishara Yar who made one appearance on the show had a bit of cameltoe going on
Ironically we saw all of these characters wear a normal starfleet uniform at some point during their series and all of them in my opinion looked better in the uniform than they did in the catsuits.
But all this talk about Enterprise meant I had the urge to dust off my Enterprise DVD's and start watching, unfortunately I found that all my series 1 DVD's are damaged for some reason, even the pilot kept skipping so I have to wait until the Blu-ray's I have ordered turn up
but I think I ordered too late for it to arrive today.
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I was watching one of the extra's on my blu-ray set last night and I had heard about how the network was against enterprise but I never realised how much inept 'leadership' from the network played in the creation of enterprise, I mean the network were completely against the show being a prequel and wanted something from the 29th century instead, even going as far to suggest they did enterprise afterwards, in fact braga wanted to set the pilot about a year before the ship was complete and have half the first season on earth that probably gave the network a heart attack.
Also mentioned in that extra was how even the senior exec's did not have a clue what star trek was about, not knowing what a hull was or the fact that they wanted different 'boy bands' in the mess hall each week to bring in young girl audience but how could you do that each week on a star trek show, the freedom that the prior star trek shows had enjoyed was taken away and essentually given to people that did not have a clue about star trek let alone what the writers were trying to do.
Also mentioned in that extra was how even the senior exec's did not have a clue what star trek was about, not knowing what a hull was or the fact that they wanted different 'boy bands' in the mess hall each week to bring in young girl audience but how could you do that each week on a star trek show, the freedom that the prior star trek shows had enjoyed was taken away and essentually given to people that did not have a clue about star trek let alone what the writers were trying to do.
I know, especially if they know nothing about the subject, how are the producers supposed to do a star trek show when the guy who is in charge know nothing about the show or it's fan base.
Berman and Braga were quite vilified here on first run. But the more I hear about the stupid shit Paramount tried to add to the show, the more I think Bermaga were the least damaging aspects of the leadership. I read an interview where Berman all but begged the network to take a breather between VOY and this show and mentioned that if he had stepped down, Paramount would have found an even bigger lap dog with even less knowledge of Trek to do their bidding.
That isn't to say that either half of Bermaga needs to ever return to Star Trek ever again, but even a motivated producer that hadn't gotten burned out would've had their hands full.
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