Game Of Thrones Season 6 Discussion (Spoilers)
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So Arya apparently did just decide to go sightseeing last week while being targeted for assassination by a 90 lb. Terminator. Okeedokee. Kinda undermines the badassery of her blowing out the candle moment at the end of the prior episode to that, even though she eventually made up for it here. Plus, I know she had no friends there, but leading the Waif back to Lady Crane and having her get killed also kinda undermines Arya saving her. I don't know, that whole House of Black & White and acting troupe plot felt a bit unsatisfying. Oh well, no skin off my face.
Also somewhat unsatisfying was the resolution to the Blackfish subplot, and the fact that they chose to have Dany walk in from a side door instead of showing Drogon land atop the pyramid while the Masters pissed their pants in the harbor.
Oh well, I guess they're saving their FX budget for...
The Battle of the Bastards
Winterfracas
The Rumble with Ramsay
The Fray Between Friends & Foes of Freys
Snowbowl X
The North Dismembers
Winterfell-a-fragile-mix-of-ex-enemies-kill-Ramsay-who's-atrocious
Dude, Where's My Castle?
Littlefinger Penetrates Up the Rear
M'Lady's Melee
Battle (of the possibly) Royal
Snowstorming the Castle
Snowmageddon
Starknado
Also somewhat unsatisfying was the resolution to the Blackfish subplot, and the fact that they chose to have Dany walk in from a side door instead of showing Drogon land atop the pyramid while the Masters pissed their pants in the harbor.
Oh well, I guess they're saving their FX budget for...
The Battle of the Bastards
Winterfracas
The Rumble with Ramsay
The Fray Between Friends & Foes of Freys
Snowbowl X
The North Dismembers
Winterfell-a-fragile-mix-of-ex-enemies-kill-Ramsay-who's-atrocious
Dude, Where's My Castle?
Littlefinger Penetrates Up the Rear
M'Lady's Melee
Battle (of the possibly) Royal
Snowstorming the Castle
Snowmageddon
Starknado
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Damn, so no trial by combat for Cersei? No Clegane Bowl? 
I'm also a bit disappointed by the resolution of Arya's predicament. Not only was she in fact foolish last episode to allow the Waif to sneak up on her while not in possession of Needle, but that action ultimately led to Lady Crane's death. Plus, it was hard to believe she could do all of that running and do those two steep jumps while bleeding out of her guts. I guess the Milk of the Poppy is really strong. The candle moment was nice, but as Locutus said, the rest undermined that moment. I'm also bummed out that Arya has decided to turn her back on the House of Black and White, but I suppose it's good that she has decided to reclaim her name. That being said, I wonder about Jaqen's smirk. Perhaps this is what he wanted all along? If so, for what purpose?
Speaking of the Milk of the Poppy, it's been awfully long time since we've heard it. Back in the first season, it was mentioned almost every episode, but now we never hear about it.
After such a long absence from Edmure Tully, Tobias Menzies has become the cruel "Black Jack" Randall in Outlander in my eyes (at least in the first season; I stopped after that), so it was a bit strange to see Menzies act meekly. But when he strolled into Riverrun Castle, suddenly he was Black Jack again.
Disappointing Blackfish died offscreen. He deserved better. Unless it's part of some hidden plan between him and Edmure, but I doubt it.
I'm calling it now: The rumor Cersei and Maester Qyburn are talking about are the hidden caches of Wildfire that King Aerys II hid throughout King's Landing in his mad plot to burn the city. Cersei is going to burn it all. And honestly, aside from Maergery (and the High Sparrow, but only because of Jonathan Pryce), I'm fine with that. Burrrrrrnnnnnn!
I'm also a bit disappointed by the resolution of Arya's predicament. Not only was she in fact foolish last episode to allow the Waif to sneak up on her while not in possession of Needle, but that action ultimately led to Lady Crane's death. Plus, it was hard to believe she could do all of that running and do those two steep jumps while bleeding out of her guts. I guess the Milk of the Poppy is really strong. The candle moment was nice, but as Locutus said, the rest undermined that moment. I'm also bummed out that Arya has decided to turn her back on the House of Black and White, but I suppose it's good that she has decided to reclaim her name. That being said, I wonder about Jaqen's smirk. Perhaps this is what he wanted all along? If so, for what purpose?
Speaking of the Milk of the Poppy, it's been awfully long time since we've heard it. Back in the first season, it was mentioned almost every episode, but now we never hear about it.
After such a long absence from Edmure Tully, Tobias Menzies has become the cruel "Black Jack" Randall in Outlander in my eyes (at least in the first season; I stopped after that), so it was a bit strange to see Menzies act meekly. But when he strolled into Riverrun Castle, suddenly he was Black Jack again.
Disappointing Blackfish died offscreen. He deserved better. Unless it's part of some hidden plan between him and Edmure, but I doubt it.
I'm calling it now: The rumor Cersei and Maester Qyburn are talking about are the hidden caches of Wildfire that King Aerys II hid throughout King's Landing in his mad plot to burn the city. Cersei is going to burn it all. And honestly, aside from Maergery (and the High Sparrow, but only because of Jonathan Pryce), I'm fine with that. Burrrrrrnnnnnn!
I wonder if he's heading back to King's Landing. I don't know for what purpose but I wonder if it'll connect to A Dances with Dragons' epilogue?
After hiding in the shadows since helping Tyrion to escape, Varys reappears to murder Kevan in order to allow Cersei to regain control of Tommen. But why would Tyrion want that?
Actually, this deflates my hopes.
Because Beric gave his life so that Catelyn could rise again as Lady Stoneheart. Unless they come across her body now and revive her, but she's been dead for too long now. Her body would have rotted away by this point.
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Arya should be dead already of septicaemia/peritonitis as I assume Milk of the Poppy is an analgesic and not an antibiotic.
My days of not taking these producers seriously as storytellers is certainly coming to a middle. Lazy plotting, lazy writing, lazy directing. The episode spent so much time name-checking Catelyn and putting the Hound in the right place for the audience to be witness that I honestly expect them to break out Lady Stoneheart in the finale and hope no one notices she hasn't decomposed to bones and worm shit.
Yeah, it does seem like D&D are running on fumes without GRRM's novels to adapt. They just have his notes and their own inspiration to go by. Things seem like they're taking the mad dash route to the end. Wrap this up in 8 seasons, with fewer episodes per season going forward.
Also, where is Dorne?
Also, where is Dorne?
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Lady Crane would have been killed even if Arya had not gone to her. She was not killed for sheltering Arya, the contract on her didn't die because Arya chose not to finish it.
I liked the way Arya lured her to somewhere pitch black because she had the advantage while blind, I agree those wounds seemed like they should have been more serious. Milk of the poppy is basically morphine to my understanding. That bit where Edmure moralizes the situation with Jamie seemed un-GoTlike, although I like that Jamie found a way to resolve the situation with minimal bloodshed.
I wonder if Yara is going to show up at the right moment to attack the masters fleet. The way that was set up is also kind of odd, because if the masters had the power to just attack the city why didn't they just do it in the first place?
I liked the way Arya lured her to somewhere pitch black because she had the advantage while blind, I agree those wounds seemed like they should have been more serious. Milk of the poppy is basically morphine to my understanding. That bit where Edmure moralizes the situation with Jamie seemed un-GoTlike, although I like that Jamie found a way to resolve the situation with minimal bloodshed.
I wonder if Yara is going to show up at the right moment to attack the masters fleet. The way that was set up is also kind of odd, because if the masters had the power to just attack the city why didn't they just do it in the first place?
Stealing Benjen's former title of Westeros Hide-and-Seek Champion. Not that I particularly miss them.
Comics Unleashed with Tyrion Allen the Great Enabler and his guests Missandei and Greyworm was hilarious, even if it was an awful lot of filler when the show really needs to tighten up a bit. But I'll take funny filler over the other kinds.
Arya's recovery from multiple twisting stab wounds to the abdomen is positively Wolverine-like. She just shook it off to do Parkour like a boss.
Well...that's a bit of stretch. Benjen was missing for five seasons. Dorne hasn't been gone for a whole season yet.
While that whole scene was greatly amusing, it continued to highlight the fact that the writers had no idea what to do with Tyrion while he waited for Daenerys to return.
Yeeeaaah, Arya doing superhero shit with shredded intestines took me right out of the story. Same thing happened in Prometheus. It's bullshit. My wife had abdominal surgery a couple of years ago and she couldn't even sit up for a week. And she didn't get stabbed (and twisted!) thru the bowels with a 6" blade. Twice. It would have been GREAT without the wound to make you eyeroll.
Basically. As for Dorne, very strongly in the "who cares?" camp. Happy if they never get another mention, although know it won't be the case.
The series was originally started/intended as a 3-parter. Obviously quickly went past that, but that was the basis. If it doesn't get mentioned or set up in the first couple books, I have a hard time imagining it will be an important part of the conclusion. He's padding and fluffing things out to get more out of the series, and now has to deal with those elements too, but at the core of what the series is about, and the intended end result, I have to believe that it's all there from the beginning. Nonsense squabbling over imaginary thrones while the real problem is in the North. And will eventually be Jon and Danny vs. the white walkers. And probably Tyrion as the 3rd leg of that power triad. All the rest is just window dressing as far as I'm concerned. Not to say it will have a happy (or even satisfying) ending, but isn't that the story when you boil all of the subplots and nonsense out?
Dorne came late, and is just a distraction. Doesn't matter, doesn't even really play into any of the important plots. Let them return to the desert and we can get on with the story...
The series was originally started/intended as a 3-parter. Obviously quickly went past that, but that was the basis. If it doesn't get mentioned or set up in the first couple books, I have a hard time imagining it will be an important part of the conclusion. He's padding and fluffing things out to get more out of the series, and now has to deal with those elements too, but at the core of what the series is about, and the intended end result, I have to believe that it's all there from the beginning. Nonsense squabbling over imaginary thrones while the real problem is in the North. And will eventually be Jon and Danny vs. the white walkers. And probably Tyrion as the 3rd leg of that power triad. All the rest is just window dressing as far as I'm concerned. Not to say it will have a happy (or even satisfying) ending, but isn't that the story when you boil all of the subplots and nonsense out?
Dorne came late, and is just a distraction. Doesn't matter, doesn't even really play into any of the important plots. Let them return to the desert and we can get on with the story...
This season started off very strongly, delivered some cracking episodes until about eps 4 or 5, then began to get a bit meh. This episode was a total mess though.
First appearance by Tyrion for 3 episodes and we get him and the others telling crap jokes. When the fleet appeared, I hoped it was the Ironborn (either faction) but, nope, more strife with the Masters. Oh goodie. Because that plot has by no means outlived its shelf life. Dany's return was welcome but delivered in anticlimactic fashion.
The Riverrun siege was so badly handled. Yes, it largely came from the books but Jamie's handling of it, Edmure in particular, made more sense in the immediate aftermath of the Red Wedding. Why would Edmure care about a baby and wife he'd never seen and been tricked into wedding and conceiving? I knew how it would play out but hoped he'd get into Riverrun and tell Jaime to launch the baby all he liked. The scene made him look even more a wimp than book Edmure or s3 Edmure. And I'm not convinced, feudal system or no, that the Tully soldiers would have so readily followed a man who was only briefly their Lord and then a prisoner for 2 or 3 years, over the man who retook the castle.
The handling of the Blackfish was a travesty. 'I ran away after the red wedding, I'm not running away again.' YOU DIDN'T RUN AWAY, YOU LIBERATED YOUR ANCESTRAL HOME!!!' He was always portrayed as loyal to Robb, it would've made sense for him to follow Brienne to Sansa.
So, other than a few nice scenes between Jamie and Brienne (rendered somewhat pointless, seeing as they never ended up clashing) and a funny one between Pod and Bronn (oh, you scared us with that neck grab in the trailer, you rascals), Briennes trip to the river lands was pointless.
Arya? No mummer's trick, no fake guts, no fight club-style twist where the waif turns out to be her alter-ego, no many-faced deception. Instead she survived the sort of blows that killed Jon Snow and a swim in a stinky canal and is soon making Jason Bourne-type escapes through the back streets, while The Terminator, sorry, Waif, pursues her. What is she, Jack Bauer now?
Oh and obviously nobody wanted to see how she defeated her nemesis, did we.
Yay, at least she's going home.
Thank god for the gratuitously violent Clegane Brothers. But no trial by combat means no Clegane-Bowl, presumably? Still, I liked the "I prefer chicken" line (suggesting that Sandor, unlike the Blackfish, actually remembers his own continuity).
Oh and obviously Lord Tyrell would stand idly and peaceably by while the trial of his son and heir is announced. FFS.
Sorry for the rant. I didn't enjoy this episode very much, as you may have noticed.
Bring on the Bastard Bowl.
First appearance by Tyrion for 3 episodes and we get him and the others telling crap jokes. When the fleet appeared, I hoped it was the Ironborn (either faction) but, nope, more strife with the Masters. Oh goodie. Because that plot has by no means outlived its shelf life. Dany's return was welcome but delivered in anticlimactic fashion.
The Riverrun siege was so badly handled. Yes, it largely came from the books but Jamie's handling of it, Edmure in particular, made more sense in the immediate aftermath of the Red Wedding. Why would Edmure care about a baby and wife he'd never seen and been tricked into wedding and conceiving? I knew how it would play out but hoped he'd get into Riverrun and tell Jaime to launch the baby all he liked. The scene made him look even more a wimp than book Edmure or s3 Edmure. And I'm not convinced, feudal system or no, that the Tully soldiers would have so readily followed a man who was only briefly their Lord and then a prisoner for 2 or 3 years, over the man who retook the castle.
The handling of the Blackfish was a travesty. 'I ran away after the red wedding, I'm not running away again.' YOU DIDN'T RUN AWAY, YOU LIBERATED YOUR ANCESTRAL HOME!!!' He was always portrayed as loyal to Robb, it would've made sense for him to follow Brienne to Sansa.
So, other than a few nice scenes between Jamie and Brienne (rendered somewhat pointless, seeing as they never ended up clashing) and a funny one between Pod and Bronn (oh, you scared us with that neck grab in the trailer, you rascals), Briennes trip to the river lands was pointless.
Arya? No mummer's trick, no fake guts, no fight club-style twist where the waif turns out to be her alter-ego, no many-faced deception. Instead she survived the sort of blows that killed Jon Snow and a swim in a stinky canal and is soon making Jason Bourne-type escapes through the back streets, while The Terminator, sorry, Waif, pursues her. What is she, Jack Bauer now?
Oh and obviously nobody wanted to see how she defeated her nemesis, did we.
Yay, at least she's going home.
Thank god for the gratuitously violent Clegane Brothers. But no trial by combat means no Clegane-Bowl, presumably? Still, I liked the "I prefer chicken" line (suggesting that Sandor, unlike the Blackfish, actually remembers his own continuity).
Oh and obviously Lord Tyrell would stand idly and peaceably by while the trial of his son and heir is announced. FFS.
Sorry for the rant. I didn't enjoy this episode very much, as you may have noticed.
Bring on the Bastard Bowl.
I just realized who that Frey reminds me of: Baldrick from Blackadder.
It seemed to me like they were trying to sell us Lady Crane as some kind of healing prodigy. Like she had some history of stabbing men then fixing them. But if they wanted to do that they needed to establish it earlier.
For all we know the lord of light healed Arya though that also feels convenient.
For all we know the lord of light healed Arya though that also feels convenient.
And now Arya tossing and picking up the coin purse with her right hand last episode is simply a continuity oversight.
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