In the pilot of VOY, Harry Kim calls Janeway "sir," and she tells him that captain will do, ma'am if it's crunch time.
STC Ep. 6: "Come Not Between The Dragons" grading and discussion....(possible spoilers)
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In the pilot of VOY, Harry Kim calls Janeway "sir," and she tells him that captain will do, ma'am if it's crunch time.
I saw that as a joke because apparently Kim wasn't accustomed to equality in the 24th century. This was another sign of bad writing, where it's drawing this attention Janeway is a female Captain. Political Correctness in the future??? Ugh. And I thought they were waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay past that bull sh*t since the 22nd century.
Two things that most people know:
1) "Mister" is used (in certain circumstances) even for women in today's Navy. It wasn't really invented by Meyer. He just carried over actual 20th/21st century usage.
2) Some dialogue from "Balance of Terror:"
ANGELA MARTINE: "You won't get off my hook this easily. I'm going to marry you, Mister, battle or phaser weapons notwithstanding."
ROBERT TOMLINSON: "Well, meanwhile, temporarily at least, I am still your superior officer. So get with it, Mister!"
"Mister" for a woman in TOS!
Boom!
- I stand corrected. I couldn't remember a scene where they addressed a female cewmember as 'Mister' in TOS, but there it is. 
I always took that as a joke between them, since they were an about-to-be-married couple.
Yes, it's hard to tell if it's a joke, proper Navy parlance, or both.
May just be one of those myriad things that are inconsistent in TOS, in light of Spock with his "Miss Uhura."
This isn't even worth a response. There is no sense to it whatsoever.
Lets remake everything in the style of JJtrek and fucking stupid cartoon cgi. Lets not respect anything that came before given it's so old-fashioned, out of date and irrelevant.
But that's not a particular disbelief I need to suspend in order to enjoy the episode, and it's a disbelief you can't fully suspend anyway because of things that have jack to do with the efffects, such as everybody in the epsiode would be an infant or non-existent in 1969/70. There is no Shatner, there is no Nimoy, there is no Kelley, there is no Doohan, there is nobody who would actually have been in phase two if it were actually 1970...because it's not 1970.
"Very much like " is not the same as "exactly like," and you are not going to get "exactly like" without replicating every single sfx process used in 1969/70, which may be impractical for several reasons. At some point, you're going to have to bite the bullet and use modern processes.
I'm not deriding anybody. Like I said, I just didn't understand why it matters. I understand now, but I can't share your concern, and knowing it doesn't detract from the episode in my eyes.
I used to think that way about TOS-R as well, but then I saw Doomsday Machine remastered for the first time. That is an episode that is absolutely better after the fix.
Funny, I think it is absolutely one of the worst remastered episodes.
I haven't posted here in years, but reading the post in this thread, I felt compelled to.
Oh, so you ripped his skeleton from out of his coffin to ask him that, did you? So glad you have that inside track to what Gene thought.
I find your repetitive negativity towards the project appalling. And holding up Exeter, Exeter of all things, as some more in tune, and correct keeper of the Star Trek spirit just plain weird.
Don't get me wrong. I enjoy Exeter, Phase II, Farragut and some others tremendously.
But I like STC the most. It has the highest and most consistent production values, the most skillful acting and just as important to Star Trek, the most telegenic cast.
You're right in that the writing could use some tightening up, but really, what couldn't? TOS itself had quite a bit of sloppiness even in the 1st & 2nd seasons, never mind some of the excrement that was greenlit for the 3rd.
So I'll take some of the not strict to '69 references, character developments, and story methods to have something thats leaps and bounds above the 300 million dollar JJ saga in looks, tone, and spirit.
As for something taking me out of Star Trek, it's not the little nitpicks that someone like Warped9 complains of that does it, it's the sheer mass of moobs, goatees, and pot bellies on the other fan films that do.
Warped9, it's not a big deal. We're getting the best of both worlds and it's a healthy dose of what we like and don't like, but I'm glad to see these efforts were done.This isn't even worth a response. There is no sense to it whatsoever.
Lets remake everything in the style of JJtrek and fucking stupid cartoon cgi. Lets not respect anything that came before given it's so old-fashioned, out of date and irrelevant.
No but just like when you gave song lyrics to Steve Perry or Freddy Mercury, when they were on their game they gave you back something amazing. (yes I know Coon toward the end faltered once or twice, it does happen but I did say ''on their game'')
It's called a discussion, and it might be entirely surprising to you and to all the others who never watch or discuss the many other fanfilms in this section, we actually do the same to them as well.
Tell you what, if honest and actual film discussion appalls you so much, here's the door and head on over to STC's Facebook page where they never question anything, just as you might like it...
For the record each review I've shared here for each episode STC has made I have also forwarded to them. That and the fact some involved with STC participate here infers they are well aware of these discussions and viewpoints.
I suspect they look in on other sites as well. So it's safe to assume STC is aware of not only the things people like about their productions, but also the critiques fans such us make and discuss.
It's easy to offer only praise for something one enjoys. Yet honest criticism is not a show of dislike and disrespect. There are things I would prefer STC did differently--some more than others--but those are not deal breakers. If I were part of STC's creative team--particularly in terms of writing--then my opinion might carry more weight. Yet even so I can still enjoy the production as it is.
I suspect they look in on other sites as well. So it's safe to assume STC is aware of not only the things people like about their productions, but also the critiques fans such us make and discuss.
It's easy to offer only praise for something one enjoys. Yet honest criticism is not a show of dislike and disrespect. There are things I would prefer STC did differently--some more than others--but those are not deal breakers. If I were part of STC's creative team--particularly in terms of writing--then my opinion might carry more weight. Yet even so I can still enjoy the production as it is.
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When it is honest yes. But there are some Vic haters on this board and sometimes it shows up in the discussion (not talking about you) ruining it for a lot of us.
Some of season 3 would have been brutal. An example of what I was talking about is the 1/5 rating showed up when the episode was only released to the Indiegogo donors of $100 or more. No one gives $100 or more to STC then gives this episode a 1. Does not happen.
I don't know Vic. Like anyone in the public eye I can only go by his behaviour in public. In public I find him likeable and above reproach. He has been attacked by others publicly and his response has always been measured when he has even bothered to respond at all.
I might perhaps say he can sometimes be given to a bit of hyperbole about his production, but then again he is trying to generate interest and sell it--so to speak--to potential new viewers.
And regardless of whatever he might think about official or other fan productions he refrains from publicly criticizing them. And the rest of his STC associates appear to follow his lead whenever they speak publicly.
I would also add that I'm not aware of rumours that he is much different behind the scenes.
I have little doubt. I know when I have gotten together with like minded friends or fans at convention panels over the years the discuussion have been very much like this forum albiet without some of the vitriol seen in some of the discussuions here.
I will say that I find most of the discussions here far more civil than what I have seen in some FB discussions. Some of those can get really nasty. In counterpoint the general tone of comments on certain official FB pages--whether it be for STC or whatever--can get rather syrupy given the scarcity of critical remarks.
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