Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 1

[Christopher]

The thing is...there are 4 concurrent DC Superero shows right now on CW...that's really pushing it, making for oversaturation.

All the more reason to set them in two different universes (with occasional crossover) to make them more distinct.

I dunno, it's just my perfectionism talking -- there will now be a DC superhero show at 8 PM every weeknight except Friday, so I want a fifth to complete the set!

 

[Nerys Myk]

I don't think they'll be adding another series.

 

[Commander Richard]

Megalyn Echikunwoke is free to do a live-action Vixen now.

 

[John Clark]

All the more reason to set them in two different universes (with occasional crossover) to make them more distinct.

I dunno, it's just my perfectionism talking -- there will now be a DC superhero show at 8 PM every weeknight except Friday, so I want a fifth to complete the set!

Over here, we've got Gotham on Monday, Flash Tuesday, Arrow Wednesday, Legends of Tomorrow on Thursday and Supergirl Friday.

If you were to include Marvel, you've also got SHIELD Sunday
(Gotham and SHIELD air later than 8 though )

 

[Christopher]

Megalyn Echikunwoke is free to do a live-action Vixen now.

Or "Megalyn E.K.," as she seems to be billing herself now...

 

[Commander Richard]

^ Just when I finally have her name down.

 

[Captain Craig]

Finally got to watch the finale over the weekend. The time travel is still wonky and is as fluid as any given moment in the script calls for, yet also as rigid when it needs to be. Sigh.

So, did I miss an explanation or are Miranda and Rips kid(I forget his name) still alive now? They did kill Savage in a time period well before he kills them in the future.

I know nothing of cosmic alignments but my layman understanding is that it should take decades for planets to align. So Thanagar aligning in '58 & '75 then again in 2022 seemed to be an awful tight grouping.

I fully expect at some point for Sara to use a jump ship and somehow save Laurel(even if it's pulling a Doc Brown) thus keeping her "death" apparent and inserting the loophole.

It's a bit of a shame that with Savage out of the equation we will not have a chance to get to grow the Hawks outside of that chase. They were a bit hamstrung into that narrative and some extra character growth would serve both of them well.

About time Firestorm started transmuting things.
Very stoked about Hourman, don't think we'll see a whole JSA if for no other reason than budget. With Hourman filling the Carter Hall role I fully expect the next main character to be a woman...but who?

 

[Christopher]

^ Just when I finally have her name down.

Yeah, and her former The 4400 co-star Mahershalalhashbaz Ali (another name I needed some time to memorize) now goes by Mahershala Ali -- which is odd, since the second word in the Hebrew name-phrase he's named for is shalal, not shala.

 

[Claudia]

I just hope they'll somehow bring back Snart. He was the only interesting character, and I'm not sure this show is worth watching without him.

Good riddance with Kendra and Carter, I thought they were just poorly written and boring. And together with Rip, Kendra's quite selfish, not seizing the chance to kill Savage because of Carter... who'll come back anyway at some point. (It's not as though Savage did anything to restore Carter's memory after all). And Rip's mission wasn't about saving Earth or some other higher goal, but to save his family - and he denies Sarah the same chance with Laurel.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

I know nothing of cosmic alignments but my layman understanding is that it should take decades for planets to align. So Thanagar aligning in '58 & '75 then again in 2022 seemed to be an awful tight grouping.

Two planets aligning is meaningless anyway.
I think for any sort of alignment you need at least 3 bodies that get aligned on a single line.
So the question is aligned on relation to what?

 

[Christopher]

I just hope they'll somehow bring back Snart. He was the only interesting character, and I'm not sure this show is worth watching without him.

Spoiler: Snart

It's already been announced that Wentworth Miller has signed a rather unusual contract that will make him a "regular" across multiple shows, rather than just one. So he'll be around steadily, but not exclusively in LoT. Probably mainly that and The Flash, but he might show up elsewhere.

And together with Rip, Kendra's quite selfish, not seizing the chance to kill Savage because of Carter... who'll come back anyway at some point. (It's not as though Savage did anything to restore Carter's memory after all).

Other way around. Savage didn't say he'd restore Carter's memory if Kendra spared him -- he said that if Kendra killed him, that would somehow prevent Carter from ever getting his memories back. I suppose that could've been because Savage couldn't do something to restore them, but I got the impression (perhaps incorrectly) that it would be an automatic consequence of Savage's death -- perhaps because it would break the reincarnation cycle.

But Carter did start to remember stuff in the final episode, about his history with Kendra if not about the Waverider itself. So presumably the influence of Kendra's presence while Savage was still alive "unblocked" his memories, or something.

I dunno, it's not very clear. But I have a hard time applying the word "selfish" to acting to save a loved one. Sure, it's putting that loved one above countless others, but it's still about the good of someone other than oneself. Refusing to sacrifice oneself would be selfish, certainly, but refusing to sacrifice someone else who has no choice in the matter? I'd call that ethical, not selfish. There's a rather fundamental difference of consent there.

And Rip's mission wasn't about saving Earth or some other higher goal, but to save his family - and he denies Sarah the same chance with Laurel.

As he said, it would've just led to Sara and Quentin dying along with Laurel. For all this show's inconsistencies about temporal physics, its most consistent thread has been that the timeline resists alteration and that there are only certain narrow circumstances where it is possible to effect a major change. So even being a time traveler doesn't give you carte blanche to do everything you want. Some changes are possible, others are not. So it's arbitrary on the writers' part, but not on Rip's. He sincerely believed that it was possible to save his family (and billions of others in 2166) but not to save Laurel.

 

[Commander Richard]

The Justice League animated series handled Vandal Savage's death quite well in "Hereafter" Parts 1 and 2. It was one of the most memorable bits of television I've seen. Check it out if you haven't already.

 

[Thestral]

To be fair the Justice League animated series did everything better than Legends about Vandal Savage. As did Young Justice.

But yes, do check out Hereafter, it was very good.

 

[Reverend]

^Come to that, the old DCAU did almost everything better than just about everyone else, regardless of medium.

Hell, they even did the impossible by doing something interesting with Doomsday of all things. Not as a character in his own right, as they kept him as a one-dimensional wrecking ball he was intended to be. However, they used him as a vector through which to examine, highlight and even challenge Superman's basic sense of morality. Not once, not twice, but thrice!
Someone should put those cats in-charge of the movies & TV shows. Clearly they knew exactly what they were doing.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Without the occulus, he can't forecast the future.

He acts like he had half a dozen failed secret side missions to save Laurel.

With the occulus, the time masters were manipulating the results on all his simulations, so that Rip would follow through on the destiny they planned for him.

 

[The Lensman]

Someone should put those cats in-charge of the movies & TV shows. Clearly they knew exactly what they were doing.

I always hear this. Has it occurred to anyone that maybe those guys don't want to be in charge of the movies and TV shows?

At any rate.....the Justice Society!!! Even though we've seen an incarnation of them on Smallville, I can't wait to see them in the Arrowverse. It's crazy awesome that we also got to see Hourman! I hope his powers are the classic "hour of power" kind and not the "I can see an hour into the future" kind. Or whatever that Hourman show was going to do.

Speaking of Smallville's JSA, I appreciated that we got the first live action JSA on screen, and some of it wasn't bad, but man, some of those costumes were just cringeworthy. Especially Hawkman. I did like Dr. Fate, but his helmet just lacked something....I dunno, maybe because it didn't feel like metal.

Keeping my hopes up for Ted and Jack Knight to appear at some point in the Arrowverse. We've gotten several mentions of Opal City, including a bus with the destination on it. DC's Starman won't be getting a t.v. show or appearing in a movie any time soon, so I'm hoping they bring one or both in, even if it's a one off.

I know Stargirl is based on Geoff Johns deceased sister, so it's a long shot for the Knights, but still. Would kill for a show based on the 90's Starman. The Shade was never put to better use and the O'Dares and Opal City were some of the best characters ever created.

 

[Phoenix219]

I've seen it proposed that maybe Supergirl could do a Justice League International spinoff starring David Harewood as J'onn. They can't get the movie-star heavy hitters, so let's go for the goofy-misfit team. The problem is that Booster Gold seems to be getting a movie too (from Berlanti, in fact), so you probably couldn't get the Beetle-Booster duo. And Power Girl's probably out since Melissa Benoist wouldn't be able to be a regular on two series at once. No Black Canary or Shazam either, and Dr. Light's been done as an Earth-2 Linda Park. But you could get characters like Fire, Ice, Mr. Miracle and Barda, Captain Atom, Elongated Man, maybe Guy Gardner (if the movies aren't using him), and so forth. Heck, we've met Maxima on Supergirl, and she was a JL member during The Death of Superman.

Before Legends premiered, I speculated that it may have been set up as a JLI style show... knowing that Atom was supposed to be Blue Beetle at one point, and using Fire and Ice as heroic analogues for he Rogues, and Booster as the time traveler that doesn't know what he's doing, the line up would have been: Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Fire, Ice, Firestorm, Canary and the Hawks. Adding J'onn to that mix seems pretty damn "Justice League" to me. Vixen, too. Lots of potential going forward, and that was before the JSA reveal.

Definitely was hoping for Guy Gardener or Alan Scott in the finale, though.... when Rip took the ship up there, I was waiting for a green bubble to encase it (or the meteor), thats for sure.....

 

[theenglish]

We already have good portions of the JLD and the JLI--I would love to see Legends turned into an amalgamation of the two teams. Also, I thought we caught a glimpse of evil Bea in one of the Central City scenes last episode so there must be a good version of her out there.

For the JLI we already have Max Lord, J'onn J'onz, a Canary, and references to Dr. Fate. From Detroit we also have Vibe and Vixen. Rip takes Booster Gold's spot, and Ray takes Ted Kord's. That, along with the possibility of Steel joining the cast next year is almost the entire incarnation of two classic JL teams.

 

[Tom Hendricks]

Ok, just watched the final. Can anyone tell me what happened after the second Wave Rider crashes. My DVR stopped recording at that point.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Keeping my hopes up for Ted and Jack Knight to appear at some point in the Arrowverse. We've gotten several mentions of Opal City, including a bus with the destination on it. DC's Starman won't be getting a t.v. show or appearing in a movie any time soon, so I'm hoping they bring one or both in, even if it's a one off.

Yes, please.