Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2
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@Christopher The writers wouldn't have to concoct an explanation for Clark and Ray looking alike because they've already seeded one into their storytelling: Multiverse doppelgangers.
Henry Allen has a Multiverse doppelgangers who is Barry Allen/The Flash, so there's no reason Ray couldn't have a Multiverse doppelganger who is Clark Kent/Superman.
The only real hurdles to having Brandon appear on Supergirl would be logistical given his status on Legends, but it would be doable if they wanted to do it.
Henry Allen has a Multiverse doppelgangers who is Barry Allen/The Flash, so there's no reason Ray couldn't have a Multiverse doppelganger who is Clark Kent/Superman.
The only real hurdles to having Brandon appear on Supergirl would be logistical given his status on Legends, but it would be doable if they wanted to do it.
Routh would be my first choice as Superman. But the doppelgänger explanation could never work. Superman is an alien. Ray Palmer is human.
I do not think it would even be nessasary. Two completely different people with no biological relationship can look very similar. It happens. People make a living at it being celebrity lookalikes.
If it was up to me I would have fun with it. Not only would Routh play Superman but also Ray Palmer doppelgänger on Supergirl's Earth. Maybe instead of scientist/superhero he is a Superman impersonator. However they approach it would add to the credibility of the Clark Kent disguise. Maybe Clark and Superman look very similar... But so does this other guy Ray.
Sometimes reality is full of odd coincidences. Considering the bs pseudo-science in these shows and the actual comics, are unrelated lookalikes that unbelievable?
if we never actually seemSuperman I would be happy with Kara telling Ray "You remind me of my cousin. Without the blue eyes"
I do not think it would even be nessasary. Two completely different people with no biological relationship can look very similar. It happens. People make a living at it being celebrity lookalikes.
If it was up to me I would have fun with it. Not only would Routh play Superman but also Ray Palmer doppelgänger on Supergirl's Earth. Maybe instead of scientist/superhero he is a Superman impersonator. However they approach it would add to the credibility of the Clark Kent disguise. Maybe Clark and Superman look very similar... But so does this other guy Ray.
Sometimes reality is full of odd coincidences. Considering the bs pseudo-science in these shows and the actual comics, are unrelated lookalikes that unbelievable?
if we never actually seemSuperman I would be happy with Kara telling Ray "You remind me of my cousin. Without the blue eyes"
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We already got our Smallville alum in the cast with Laura Vandervoort, so I don't see a need for anymore. We already got one cast member each from the Donner movies, Smallville, and Lois & Clark, so it seems to me that if we were to get more past Superman cast members, it would make more sense to go for actors from version which haven't been represented yet, like Noel Niell, Jack Larson, Frank Langella, or James Marsden.
Jack Larson passed away last year. Noel Neill is still with us, but at 95, I wouldn't expect her to show up.
What do you mean "back in"? He never actually wore it.
True....I could say back in the role but he really wasn't Superman either! So this would be his first time!
Yeah, if he's never played Superman, why start now? 
Again: A single glimpse of the '90 Flash does not conclusively prove that he exists in the show's continuity. After all, they used shots from "The Trial of the Trickster" to represent the Earth-1 Trickster's history. Images can be taken out of context. It would take a more explicit confirmation to establish '90 Barry as Henry's doppelganger as an in-story fact. As it stands, it's merely a hinted possibility. Because nothing is ever proven by a single uncorroborated, uncontextualized data point.
And yes, there is an obvious reason why Ray could not be Clark Kent's doppelganger, because Ray is not Kryptonian.
I've long thought that would be Clark's best bet for throwing off suspicion about his resemblance to Superman. "Yeah, I get that all the time."
In fact, a ton of Silver Age Superman comics stories revolved around exact lookalikes for Superman or Lois and various cases of mistaken identity. Even John Corben/Metallo, in his debut appearance, looked enough like Superman that Lois suspected Corben of being Superman for a time.
Still, just because you can do something, that doesn't mean you should. Routh is Ray Palmer now. He's got two years invested in establishing that character. I think it would be a pretty lame gimmick to have him play Superman too. Lame gimmicks were par for the course in '50s comic books plots, but we expect better from modern TV writing.
Like I said, there's no good reason to limit the pool of potential Superman portrayers to those who've already played the role. There are plenty of other actors who deserve a shot, and I'd hope that the casting directors would consider all candidates fairly. I'd rather they discovered an impressive new Superman actor than just recycled an old one.
For me I would like Routh for 2 reasons.
This is Supergirl's show. Most likely whomever plays Superman will have limited a supporting role. I would rather have an existing actor in the part. On this show Clark is older and has experience. It would be nice if that is reflected in the casting. Even a new older actor would have a hard time conveying that in the limited time they would get.
Also I think Routh got screwed by Warner Bros. He clearly wanted to continue to play Superman in the movies. This would be a second chance. He is much more likable and has greater range than Henry Cavill.
Tom Welling? SERIOUSLY! As a lifelong Superman fantic I could write a whole book about all the problems with Smallville. But I will not. Lol But it's obvious Welling has no desire to play Superman. Smallville fans need to let that go. You got 10 seasons. Do You realize how many fans of other series wish they got that much? Or even a small fraction of that many episodes? Yet you are still not statisfied???? It's time to admit you wanted something from the show it never promised. You backed the wrong horse. Or maybe the better analogy this year is - You backed the wrong political canidate. Time to move on.
This is Supergirl's show. Most likely whomever plays Superman will have limited a supporting role. I would rather have an existing actor in the part. On this show Clark is older and has experience. It would be nice if that is reflected in the casting. Even a new older actor would have a hard time conveying that in the limited time they would get.
Also I think Routh got screwed by Warner Bros. He clearly wanted to continue to play Superman in the movies. This would be a second chance. He is much more likable and has greater range than Henry Cavill.
Tom Welling? SERIOUSLY! As a lifelong Superman fantic I could write a whole book about all the problems with Smallville. But I will not. Lol But it's obvious Welling has no desire to play Superman. Smallville fans need to let that go. You got 10 seasons. Do You realize how many fans of other series wish they got that much? Or even a small fraction of that many episodes? Yet you are still not statisfied???? It's time to admit you wanted something from the show it never promised. You backed the wrong horse. Or maybe the better analogy this year is - You backed the wrong political canidate. Time to move on.
Backed the wrong horse?
How many horses were there in 2001?
How many horses were there in 2001?
I guess Routh must be a lot different in Superman returns as the vibe I get from him as Ray Palmer is "goofy"
But that limited role argues against using Routh, because the fact that he's playing two lookalike characters in the same overall continuity would be an intrusive distraction from the story. If his role is going to be so limited, then it should stay more strictly focused on what it needs to be about, instead of getting people sidetracked by the gimmick of the double casting.
That might serve him, but it wouldn't serve the shows, which is the higher priority. Look, it's just a fact of life that sometimes chances pass you by. We're not guaranteed to get what we wish for, so we make do with what we get. You can either fritter your life away dwelling on might-have-beens, or you can get over the past and focus on what comes next. And the latter is a much healthier mentality for actors, since they need to move on to the next job and the next and the next. Nobody owns a single role. In a theater company, the same actor can play Hamlet one year and the gravedigger in another. That's the business. Acting, as a career, is not about playing one role, it's about playing as many roles as you can get.
However they could put Routh in the suit to play Ray playing Superman from a distance to fool and distract a villain because they need someone with similar looks and build.
Don't say he is a doppelgänger, just the closest thing they have for the job.
Don't say he is a doppelgänger, just the closest thing they have for the job.
In addition to the arguments put forward, I would add that the reason I suggest Routh for Superman is that he's in Vancouver working on a CW show, a sister show at that. Even if he doesn't play him it would be cool if in this supposed four way crossover they're making if they could feature Brandon Routh and Dean Cain together.
What's the point? Supergirl has already screwed the idea of a fully present Superman on the show, so lookalikes, etc., is just game playing/teasing for a series that still tries to belittle Superman in order to pump up the star character...when the star character should be written to accomplish that by her own actions.
And there are plenty of other actors in Vancouver and elsewhere who deserve a shot at the role. Heck, I'm sure plenty of actors would be more than willing to fly to Vancouver if it meant getting to play Superman. Routh has a successful superhero role now, even if it's not the one he tried the first time. Superheroes aren't greedy -- let's spread the wealth.
Sure, that could work, just as we've had Grant Gustin act with John Wesley Shipp and Melissa Benoist act with Helen Slater and Laura Vandervoort. You'd get the homage/easter-egg factor without all the intrusive story complications.
What's most important when Superman finally shows up for real is that it is not a situation where he is rescuing Kara. A scenario where she has to rescue him would be much more appropriate. After that first episode they could work more as partners in subsequent appearances.
As for casting, of course it has to be Nicholas Cage!
As for casting, of course it has to be Nicholas Cage!
A subtle variant of Big Daddy's voice/mustache should be a contractual obligation.
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