Fear the Walking Dead Season 2 discussion and spoilers.

[davejames]

Yeah I think I have to agree that was a pretty weak followup to the previous episode, with far too many convenient moments and bad character decisions. Conner somehow goes from being a legitimate threat and cunning strategist to this complete amateur who lets the Abigail sail into his undefended harbor before conducting one of the worst prisoner exchanges ever.

And while I don't have a problem with most of the characters here, Chris is by far one of the most annoying and irritating characters I think the TWD franchise has ever created. It was painfully obvious from the start that he was going to do something stupid and impulsive, and of course what do you know, that's exactly what he did.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

"Sicut Cervus"--

The church scene: The Padre's line about people turning on God seems like a comment on several characters we have witnessed having this attitude in TWD over the years.

I thought the bleeding eyes was not some rare strain of the ZA.

Giving up weapons at the gates of safety...shades of Woodbury and Alexandria.....

Celia keeping walker relatives? I wonder where we have seen that before......

Strand: Madison asks, "How do you say asshole in Spanish?" Strand's reply, "You don't. You grin and bear it." was the line of the episode. Good--he did not go the suicide route.

Thomas: So, now that he's a goner, but Strand has a desire to die with him?

Celia--Thomas' mother and Nick: Their conversation about walkers being "what comes next" seems like recycled Lizzie mentality.

Luis: Too bad. for his short time on the series, he was interesting.

Travis: Martial bliss--gone. He was correct in straightening out Madison about how he's always been there for Nick & Alicia, but she's all about...her kids.

Madison: Almost goes bye-bye while Chris watches.

Yet in more ungrateful behavior, sort of treats Thomas' mother like an ass regarding Nick. Then, yelling at Travis about Chris is not getting them anywhere. So Chris needs help? Where is that coming from?

Chris: Conflicted, and wanting his father to believe him, but he did kill that still living kid, and now...Alicia is accusing Chris of watching zombies almost kill Madison. He seems like a suicide / monster waiting to happen.

Daniel: Resentful of Luis' coin and request? Freezing during flashbacks....

Nick: Killing the child walker made him lose the new, tough hide he's developed over the past few episodes.

Next week: mid season finale.

 

[hux]

So the Mexican coastguard are still patrolling? What? Really?

Pretty dull stuff. Some middle of nowhere place is what Strand was trying to get to all this time? And he had to pay to get in? Did I miss something?

Crazy momma character. Already seen it. I suspect she'll be the catalyst for everyone needing to leave there. The show really needs to find an identity. It's all a bit plodding. Shame about Luis.

The Talking dead host seems to be genuinely struggling to find anything meaningful to discuss on his show. It certainly doesn't justify having a sister talk show.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

So the Mexican coastguard are still patrolling? What? Really?

I guess. So, this series is saying all American resources / services fell (since the U.S. waters leading to Mexico are populated by pirate gangs) while impoverished Mexico still has a standing coast guard. Hmm.........................

Pretty dull stuff. Some middle of nowhere place is what Strand was trying to get to all this time? And he had to pay to get in? Did I miss something?

They're saving the exictement for the mid season finale. Expect the threat of Hershel/Lizzie 2.0 (Abigail's mother Celia) to explode, while invaders and crazy Chris place all lives in danger.

The Talking dead host seems to be genuinely struggling to find anything meaningful to discuss on his show. It certainly doesn't justify having a sister talk show.

Probably because FTWD is just not as compelling as the parent series. Like the Star Wars Prequels, you already know where the story is going, so it was going to be hard to justify reasons for the audience to want to know about early times that--so far--have not offered anything new about the early ZA.

The guests do not seem too animated in their conversation, either, and with the exception of admitted super fan Yvette Nicole Brown, only seem to be there just to have some WD association while the train is still running. Then, Chris Hardwick is such a motormouth cheerleader, that no one can buy his enthusiasm when FTWD is not firing up the fanbase to that degree.

Still, you have another half season to see if FTWD transforms into something with stronger appeal.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Did anyone else think Luis looked a lot like Jack Black?

And how did this "payment" work again?


The Fear the Talking Dead DOES help me appreciate the actors a but more, like the Alicia actress talking about what she wanted to accomplish

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Mid season finale: "Shiva"

Strand: Bitter about Thomas, but he knew the arrangement--Celia's beliefs, so he should not have been shocked by her reaction. Once again, he saves people who disrespected and/or threatened him.

Travis: Yeah, he wanted to find Chris, but running over rough terrain only in socks? Its not like Chris was in a car speeding away, and he had no time. Anyway, he's choosing Chris over Madison and her brood. It would be marginally interesting if the rift was permanent.

Madison: She's asked for all of the rebellion--Nick still resents her rescuing him from his druggie life, Alicia listens to no one, and her absolute stand against Chris (while justified) is burning her marriage. Her trying to march around telling everyone when to act, move and think goes nowhere.

Locking Celia in he cellar to die seems like a set up for her son/boyfriend Nick to pull something twisted in 2B.

BUT Madison FINALLY admits she--and her family were saved by Strand.

Chris: Psychotic and annoying.

Daniel: losing his mind in thinking his wife is alive, and guilt over his murderous past, so its fitting that he thinks he had to embrace his "victims" by killing himself....

...and the production has one less pricey mouth to feed.

Celia: Her doing the Lizzie/TWD season 2 Hershel about Luis (or walkers in general) just makes her an easy foil.
Her hatred of Strand stems from a few things: obviously, she's hung up on her loony idea that he should have joined Thomas in her imagined "new" zombie form, but she has such a low opinion of him, I wonder its about race, or if she blames him for "keeping" her son in a gay relationship?

Ofelia & Alicia: I see both blaming Madison for their losses.

Nick: What is the connection he has with Celia? I understand her POV, but Nick seemed oddly receptive.
His sense of invincibility (thanks to walker camouflage) and buying Celia's rubber room business seems like he's half sincere, half scheming.

Townspeople: whatever. Too stupid to be anything other than zombie food.

Summary: Nick thinks he's a destroyer, Strand saves Madison's ass again, Travis has one family member left--a nutjob. It might be a stretch, but I see Madison & Strand warming up to each other--and I do not mean as friends. Is it all enough to keep this series going? i'm not sure, but its taking its own, sweet time going somewhere undefined.

 

[sojourner]

Strand now has himself a harem. If his predilections can turn that way.

And both of the teenage boys are losing it in entirely separate ways.

Maybe Ophelia can now get some meaningful development.

Where was Celia when Daniel went in a torched the place? I didn't see her among the dead.

 

[jbny67]

Where was Celia when Daniel went in a torched the place? I didn't see her among the dead.

I would say she was either devoured like Lori was at the prison or she was who Daniel was seeing as his wife.

 

[kitik]

Interesting end there, with the group completely falling apart.

Anyone else finding it very easy to like Nick? Sure, he might have taken it a bit too far at the end when he rejected his family, but the way he's adapted to this new world makes him very relatable for fans of the parent series.

Things I learned from watching Talking Dead over the past few weeks:
-Mercedes Mason is freaking gorgeous
-Ruben Blades is freaking cool as hell

 

[TheSeeker]

Anyone else finding it very easy to like Nick?

I'd say Nick and Strand are my two favourite characters on the show.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I thought that people were turning into angels because of Revelations, but last nights episode had me realize is that what the "virus" really does is strip "people" of Original Sin.

This is what we were like in the Garden before the Apple.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Nick has something else to fear...

Fear the Walking Dead’ Actor Frank Dillane Arrested for Alleged Battery

Frank Dillane has more to worry about right now than the zombie apocalypse.

The 25-year-old actor, who plays Nick Clark on AMC’s Fear the Walking Dead, was arrested on a battery charge on Sunday, ET can confirm. Dillane was involved in a “physical altercation” with a security guard when he tried to enter the CBS lot in Los Angeles, California, according to the LAPD.

Dillane is being held on $20,000 bail and, as of Wednesday, LAPD confirmed he is still in jail.

Dillane was “arrested by a private person” around 8:40 p.m. on Sunday evening and booked at 12:15 a.m. on Monday morning in the downtown Los Angeles jail.

As for what an arrest by a private person entails, an LAPD spokesperson explained, “This means when there is a misdemeanor committed not in law enforcement presence, after police arrive to investigate, a private person can say they want another individual arrested.”

“Police then take that individual into custody and books them for the crime that was committed not in police presence,” we’re told. “On the flip side, when it’s a felony crime, police are able to place someone under an arrest only with information as to what the incident was, they don’t have to physically see it.”

Not too bright...

 

[Morpheus 02]

Nick has something else to fear...

Fear the Walking Dead’ Actor Frank Dillane Arrested for Alleged Battery



Not too bright...

Maybe he's doing method acting for Nick

With Nick' self-perceived invulnerability, he can be easily written out

 

[Tom]

I wan to like this show I really do, but I find myself falling asleep with some of these episodes.

 

[theenglish]

I watched the most recent four episodes over the last couple of days. I don't know if it is just me becoming more accepting of the show or not but it's starting to grow on me. "Captive" was by far the weakest of the four episodes--especially with the "quiet" zombie during the prisoner exchange. It wouldn't have been that hard to set up a situation in a setting where the sound of the surf obviously muffled the noise of the zombie or something similar--just weak ass writing.

It is a shame that Ruben Blades' character had to be the one to be sacrificed because he was one of the more interesting characters. I did notice that he made no attempt at an actual Salvadoran accent--he swallows his 'es's too much. (Blades is actually Panamanian.)

I really like where Nick's character is going and how his addictive personality is taking new and interesting directions. He's becoming addicted to the life of a walker basically. I didn't get how the show was setting up Walkers as being metaphors for junkies until the final episode. Whatever happens in the actor's personal life, the show is set up that he doesn't really need to reappear for awhile.

As for Strand, I'm glad that the writers did something different than what we expected with him. As for Travis and his son, I can take them or leave them next season.

The show is still much weaker than the parent series, and we didn't need to have a rip off of a previous storyline already, but it is definitely starting to find its groove.

 

[publiusr]

"Sicut Cervus"--
Celia keeping walker relatives? I wonder where we have seen that before......

Her poisoning the church was a far worse crime than the lighthouse keeper--who thought his family were in immediate danger of being torn apart.

Shades of Santería/Día_de_Muertos in her case.

Her victims had a chance--they were armed--there was a walled compound nearby--and with effort, Baha can have a anti-Zombie Trump wall built across that narrow bit of land: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baja_California_Peninsula

Lots of room along its length to grow things--but easily defended.

Mid season finale: "Shiva"

Daniel: losing his mind in thinking his wife is alive, and guilt over his murderous past, so its fitting that he thinks he had to embrace his "victims" by killing himself........

He is my favorite character.

Interesting end there, with the group completely falling apart.

They are going for the surreal--which I like. I was half expecting that yacht to wind up in R'lyeh.

 

[Morpheus 02]

So no one cares that the second half is starting tomorrow night?

 

[davejames]

Haha, apparently not. And I'll probably be skipping it myself. I was one of the few who really liked the first season and its look at the beginning stages of the outbreak in a different kind of setting... but now that it's become about just another group of survivors roaming the countryside, I find myself a lot less interested. Especially when so many of them are as dull and aggravating as this bunch.

 

[sojourner]

Hey, did anyone get to see those scenes from Fear the Walking Dead that they aired during that hour of commercials? Yeesh, even with a DVR to ff through, that was painful. just commercial after commercial with barely any show to watch.

 

[RJDiogenes]

That's pretty much what all commercial television feels like to me these days.