Spoilers The Flash - Season 2

[Guy Gardener]

It doesn't work like that?

The special effects budget is limited (and obviously finite).

You bring in a new full time speedster, either Barry does less, or the villains of the week has less CGI rendered powers, or the CW is giving the producers more money to play with, because the investment seems good?

Or more likely Jessie or/and Wally are hooking up with the Legends, Arrow, or a new show, where their speed can be used less liberally as the main event, rather than as a sideshow to Barry.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

They managed to juggle multiple superpowers on LoT already. Sure, there's a breaking point, but considering we're only talking about 1 extra speedster at the moment, I doubt that would trigger it. Especially since the speed effects have already been fully designed and used for several different characters pretty much throughout the show.

 

[Phoenix219]

Slightly off topic.... I've been rewatching the 90's Flash for the first time since I was a kid, and I must say.... Shipp's Barry is *so* much more confident and so much more of a badass then current Barry can dream of. Of course, his threats are much more street level, but still, its night and day as far as characterization goes.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If 90's Barry is so confident, then why did Tina need a hot water bottle to keep herself warm at night?

You're obviously in love with the pretty egghead, so ask her out on a date for frakks sake!!!!

 

[Tom Hendricks]

That Barry was much older, kinda like Zoom and Thawn in this one. When this Barry finally learns that only his confidence has been hampering his speed, that will be a good day.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's the 80s, half the characters are (secretly) on cocaine.

You might think that cops don't do coke, but IA was shit back then, and cops don't pay for drugs.

Are you seeing confidence in Barry Allen or the positivity that comes from crack?

(Actually, if Barry Allen was a coke addict before the lightning, he'd be immune to any effects after he got his powers. Sad? No coke makes Barry a dull boy.)

 

[matthunter]

Plus if S3 actually takes a chance on a non-speedster enemy for the Flash, then the effects budget could go on an extra heroic speedster no problem.

Mirror Master or Abra Kadabra for S3? Or Cobalt Blue?

 

[Vendikarr]

Maybe Snart and Rory return from Legends of Tomorrow having learned the lesson of having a team at your back, and the next season deals with the formation of the Rogues and their attacks on the Flash.

 

[Thestral]

I think somebody floated the idea of Savitar earlier? Whoever they go with as the Big Bad, hopefully they go away from the "mentor with an understanding of the Speed Force/Barry's speed is secretly evil" trope after doing it twice.

Hopefully after the trouble Harry had letting Jessie grow up earlier in the season he won't cause too much trouble if Jessie wants to be a heroic speedster - whether sticking around and helping Barry or going back to Earth-2 and helping (speculating here) Jay. I'd rather she stuck around myself, as I really like her. And of course it's always possible Harry doesn't survive.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Rory has spent hundreds of years learning to be a Timemaster.

He knows the future, and he knows how to build future tech.

If he's over the pyromania, with a small bankroll, Mick Rory could grow that into a fortune, and rule the world like a boss, until the Timemasters came for him. Actually the only reason that the Time masters wouldn't come for him, is if he "pretended" to still be a thug, that was previously (still?) Mick Rory's allotment in life, which might drive him crazy (again), not living up to his (new) potential.

Snart caught the hero bug. Playing with Barry, winning over against Barry, should be way more important than than the score to any heist he might pull. Even then, I still can't see Cold staying true to his old colours.

 

[John Clark]

Slightly off topic.... I've been rewatching the 90's Flash for the first time since I was a kid, and I must say.... Shipp's Barry is *so* much more confident and so much more of a badass then current Barry can dream of. Of course, his threats are much more street level, but still, its night and day as far as characterization goes.

I've just started watching it myself. I'd have to agree on the confidence thing.
I'm preferring the current show, but so far, I'm enjoying the 90s version.

 

[Tyberius]

I was happy with the episode and happy with the portrayal of speed force. Whether or not you want to call it actually sentient, physicists have been calling the unknown particle/force the "God Particle" for quite some time. That Barry sees the speed force as real people in a real place is probably right. It is likely way too trippy for a human mind to understand.

 

[Christopher]

Whether or not you want to call it actually sentient, physicists have been calling the unknown particle/force the "God Particle" for quite some time.

No, they really, really haven't. First off, it's not an unknown particle or force that was given that nickname, it was the Higgs boson (which was predicted in 1964 and tentatively confirmed in 2013). Second, the term "the God Particle" is never actually used by physicists in their work; it was the title given to physicist Leon Lederman's 1993 book written to explain the Higgs boson to a general audience. And Lederman, an atheist, coined the term somewhat facetiously, merely intending it as an analogy for both the crucial importance of the Higgs boson to the Standard Model and the difficulty in verifying its existence. Most physicists actively loathe the nickname because of how badly it's been twisted and misunderstood by the general public. It was never, ever, ever meant to suggest any kind of literal divinity or sentience to a subatomic particle.

 

[Dick Whitman]

I liked the episode for the overall writing and the performances of the actors. But not a fan of "the Speed Force is God" or it having any type of intelligence or voice at all.

I was fan of the Flash before Mark Waid introduced the Speed Force in the comics. So I do not think it should be such a huge part of the Flash mythos as it has become. The characters got along fine for decades without it.

When it's treated similar to how The Force is by Jedi I am fine with it. Given how many speedsters in the DC Universe it made since to give them a shared power source. But can you imagine if Star Wars gave the Force a personality or identity???

Barry healing Jesse almost makes him a Jesus like figure if we are going to use religious analogies... Groan...

I hope they do not revisit this too often.

 

[Servo]

^Not really.

Maybe Snart and Rory return from Legends of Tomorrow having learned the lesson of having a team at your back, and the next season deals with the formation of the Rogues and their attacks on the Flash.

I must admit, I would love to see Abra Kadabra, The Top and Mirror Master appear on the show, along with the Rogues we've already had.

 

[Christopher]

I was fan of the Flash before Mark Waid introduced the Speed Force in the comics. So I do not think it should be such a huge part of the Flash mythos as it has become. The characters got along fine for decades without it.

I'm ambivalent about the Speed Force. On the one hand, I can understand why Waid thought it was necessary, because the way the Flash's speed works is physically absurd on many, many levels, so I can see the value of introducing some new phenomenon to explain what can't be explained by just "running real fast." On the other hand, it does seem like they've taken it in such a mystical and pervasive direction that it's probably created more credibility problems than it's solved.

Barry healing Jesse almost makes him Jesus....

He didn't heal her. He just woke her from her coma, which was presumably the same kind of coma he was in after his original accident. If they both have the Speed Force in their systems now, it means they're connected (especially since she got this way because his own energies passed through her).

 

[dahj]

But can you imagine if Star Wars gave the Force a personality or identity???

Somebody obviously didn't watch The Clone Wars animated series...

 

[JD]

I liked the episode for the overall writing and the performances of the actors. But not a fan of "the Speed Force is God" or it having any type of intelligence or voice at all.

I was fan of the Flash before Mark Waid introduced the Speed Force in the comics. So I do not think it should be such a huge part of the Flash mythos as it has become. The characters got along fine for decades without it.

When it's treated similar to how The Force is by Jedi I am fine with it. Given how many speedsters in the DC Universe it made since to give them a shared power source. But can you imagine if Star Wars gave the Force a personality or identity???

Star Wars did kind of do that with the Father, Son, and Daughter on Mortis.

I really enjoyed this episode.
The stuff with Barry in the Speed Force was my favorite part. I was really surprised the Speed Force actually manifested itself as people and spoke to Barry, but the it gave us a great story for him, so I don't mind it. The scene with him and his mom was great. I also really like what they've done with Barry and Iris the last couple weeks.
The stuff with the other characters trying to deal with Girder was a lot of fun. I always get a kick out of seeing the others try to deal with a Meta without Barry.
I was surprised that Wally didn't seem to be getting powers, but I like Jessie a lot so I don't mind it just being her. I look forward to seeing her and Barry working together.
Henry's comment about sticking around makes me think we'll be seeing a lot more of him next season..... or he'll be dead by the end of the finale.
I also watched last week's yesterday, and while it wasn't quite at the level of this week's I still enjoyed it.
The Rupture storyline gave us some nice stuff for Cisco.
I also liked Barry going to all three of his father figures for advice about the attempt to regain his powers. It was a nice way to bring his father back into the story.

 

[Dick Whitman]

My guess is Henry might go work for Tina McGee at Mercury Labs. Shipp posted a picture of him and Amanda Pays on set together. Hard to make out the background but it was some type of Lab or hospital set.

I would hate to see Henry killed! They have already explored the dead parent with his mother. Even if he is not around all the time no reason he has to die. We saw him more when he was in prison. He would still live in Central City not be a regular cast member. Just save him for important episodes. make it clear he has his own life when we do not see him.

 

[JD]

Oh, I meant that bit about killing him as a joke. It just seems like a lot of times in these kinds of shows when a character promises to stick around, they end up dead within a couple of episodes.