Agents of SHIELD: Season 3 - Discussion (SPOILERS LIKELY)

[gblews]

Mack had better get rid of that damned necklace, fast.

I had been saying for some time that I didn't think this season was as good as season 2, and I still don't think it is, although I have liked the last few episodes a lot, this season has been meticulously planned out. I remember when we (or maybe it was just me) were all wondering why Lash's "purpose" seemed to be to kill inhumans. Now we know what his purpose was.

I was thinking Lincoln's plan was so dumb. But it would not have been the first time he did something dumb, especially when it came to Daisy, so I thought, 'here we go again'. Thought did cross my mind that Coulson was involved but that ended when Fitz-Simmons didn't seem to be in on it. Great moment when the Quinjet door opened and Lash was standing there. As big a badass as Hive has been, he started to back up when he saw Lash. Wonder if this meant Hive knew who Lash was, or what he was capable of?

"Now you are free". Nice moment for Andrew.

I agree with those who felt that the Civil War link was well handled.

Mack better not be the one (or Yo-Yo). It should be Lincoln.

 

[Lyon_Wonder]

Hive's Alpha Primitives reminds me of the Dalek's mutant pig-slaves.

 

[Reverend]

Great moment when the Quinjet door opened and Lash was standing there. As big a badass as Hive has been, he started to back up when he saw Lash. Wonder if this meant Hive knew who Lash was, or what he was capable of?

Probably more the latter. Most likely there was a similar Inhuman around the last time, because how else did they managed to drive him through that portal? Someone must have been immune to his sway and had the ability to cure/immunise others or else they would have been massively outnumbered.

Perhaps this quasi-intelligent adaptive power sets are part of the reason the Kree lost control: their Inhuman's adapted to the Kree and they couldn't contain them anymore. Clearly they weren't able to contain Hive, it took other Inhumans to ultimately do that, at least temporarily.

That's what makes me wonder if perhaps an infinity stone might come into play. From what was said in AoU, it sounded like the mind stone literally was a mind of some kind. Maybe they're all alive somehow. The Aether certainly seemed to have a mind of it's own.
Hmm...I know it's not how it went down in the comics but what if those six stones are all components of a single multi-dimensional cosmic entity that was fractured into it's components? But that' a whole other discussion.

 

[Christopher]

Oh, Alpha Primitives! The Inhumans' slave race. I'd forgotten about them.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Made me think "Crappy-Wolverine-Deadpool", personally. :P

Mark

 

[Non Sync]

I was thinking they were more like the Weevils from Torchwood.

 

[Marsden]

I was disappointed Lash was killed. Damn you show! It made me have feelings again!

 

[Star Wolf]

Made me think "Crappy-Wolverine-Deadpool", personally. :P

Mark

I was thinking they were more like the Weevils from Torchwood.

The vampire army of the master at the beginning and the army at the end of Buffy

 

[Richard Baker]

I really liked watching the last episode- Coulson deserves high marks for acting when things seemed to unravel and Talbot kept giving him grief over it.
Sorry to see Lash end- I do wish he had spent a few more minutes getting rid of Hive but it was nice to see they found a way do bring Daisy/Tremors/Quake back without brain surgery. For some reason when I saw her getting o the Quinjet I wondered if it was going to end up in orbit instead of bring her back.

 

[Star Wolf]

I think it is going to take a really hot pilot to get a quinjet up into space

 

[Jax]

Should of kept Lash for final battle, seeing him go up against Hive in a proper 1 on 1 season finale fight would of been awesome

 

[Guy Gardener]

Surely he could have killed Hive, and then deloused everyone else?

Idiot.

 

[Beagleman]

He doesn't really seem like the thinking rationally type...

 

[Kemaiku]

Hmm...I know it's not how it went down in the comics but what if those six stones are all components of a single multi-dimensional cosmic entity that was fractured into it's components? But that' a whole other discussion.

Nope, Guardians of the Galaxy establishes them as six unrelated shards ejected from the heart of hypersingularities that collided and exploded before our universe began and got swept up into it.

The Eternals embued them with their properties after that. Much like Mjolnir is a construct with a lot of programming that might make it look that way.

 

[JD]

That would seem to run against the idea that they were built as living super-weapons. Those things seemed physically strong, but no more than what we've seen of Kree foot soldiers. Less, even.

As for why they turned out like this rather than with super powers: who wants to bet that the real missing ingredient is the Mind Stone? I mean look what it did to the Maximoff twins...

Maybe it was because they used Daisy's Inhuman/Kree blood mixture rather than pure Kree blood. I know the pure Kree blood killed the first test subjects, but Hive and the doctor probably didn't use the exact same process as the original Kree geneticists did.

Spoiler: Civil War

What Avengers? The only remaining team members who aren't wanted fugitives or half-paralyzed are Iron Man and Vision. And Tony isn't even taking Secretary Ross's calls. At this point, there effectively are no Avengers.

I just had a thought. What if this is what Ross was calling Tony about at the end of Civil War?
I really enjoyed the episode.
I was shocked that Lincoln was actually willing to go to Hive, even if he wanted to be with Daisy, so I was relieved when they revealed it wasn't real.
I loved Lash fighting Hive and saving Daisy. I was disappointed they killed him, but I guess at this point having him around to take out Hive and save everyone would have made things too easy. Him being a counter for Hive was a nice explanation for his existence.
I though the Civil War tie in with the Sokovia Accords was tied into the current story really well. Talbot is a fun fremeny for Coulson, so I liked him playing such a big role in the episode.
I really hope they are just faking us out with Mack and the necklace.

 

[Servo]

I was shocked that Lincoln was actually willing to go to Hive, even if he wanted to be with Daisy, so I was relieved when they revealed it wasn't real.

I actually thought Lincoln was playing along the whole time, but not in the way it was revealed. I thought he was willing to meet Hive to see if the "cure" he got would be able to prevent him being controlled, or even allow him to hurt Hive in some way and rescue Daisy from the sway.

Loved how it all went down though. Lash was awesome. Gutted he died, but he was far too powerful against Hive.

 

[Richard Baker]

I still wonder what Lash's criteria was for taking out which inhumans. He obviously was selective but I never saw a pattern.
Also- if Lash was meant to be the counter to Hive, was there a Lash-type inhuman each generation? Hive was exiled to a distant planet for many many years- it would be incredible foresight to have a Lash-type inhuman become active just when Hive returns to Earth.

 

[Christopher]

I just had a thought. What if this is what Ross was calling Tony about at the end of Civil War?

From the way the sequence was edited, I thought it was quite clear that Ross was calling about

Spoiler: Civil War ending

Steve breaking his fellow Avengers out of the Raft.

I was shocked that Lincoln was actually willing to go to Hive, even if he wanted to be with Daisy, so I was relieved when they revealed it wasn't real.

Lincoln's apparent behavior didn't surprise me, since he's never been much of a team player -- that's why the ruse worked, because it was perfectly in character for him. But I was wondering if Daisy's feelings for Lincoln were actually overriding her Hive programming to a degree -- not eliminating it, but leaving enough autonomy that she could try to assert some desire of her own in secret. I was a bit surprised when it turned out that she was just following Hive's orders all along.

Talbot is a fun fremeny for Coulson, so I liked him playing such a big role in the episode.

I wish there were some way to get Pasdar's Talbot involved in a story with the Hulk and/or Thunderbolt Ross. It's weird to see Talbot in a role that has no connection to the Hulk.

I really hope they are just faking us out with Mack and the necklace.

Oh, I'd forgotten that a crucifix necklace was part of the future vision. That's why it was played as such a big deal when she gave it to him -- I was wondering about that.

Also- if Lash was meant to be the counter to Hive, was there a Lash-type inhuman each generation? Hive was exiled to a distant planet for many many years- it would be incredible foresight to have a Lash-type inhuman become active just when Hive returns to Earth.

As I said, I think the Kree's intent was that these traits would manifest in every generation, but since the experiment was abandoned and later generations applied terrigenesis piecemeal, there were probably a lot of generations where the potential never manifested.

 

[Briet]

I am sorry to disappoint everyone, but unless Mack loaned his jacket to anyone in the final episode, I'm pretty sure that he will be the one on the quinjet.

I liked that this episode expanded the Sokovia Accords beyond a document to regulate the Avangers. And I felt it a really nice touch, that that not too long ago President Ellis said that SHIELD can't be reauthorised, but now he put that option on the table in exchange for registration. For me, that supports Cap's fears that their would-be supervisor's agendas can change overnight.

Also, it was a nice to see a nod the the previous season's end, and that Coulson learned from that mistake, but Daisy's return felt a little lackluster to me.

 

[Reverend]

Nope, Guardians of the Galaxy establishes them as six unrelated shards ejected from the heart of hypersingularities that collided and exploded before our universe began and got swept up into it.

The Eternals embued them with their properties after that. Much like Mjolnir is a construct with a lot of programming that might make it look that way.

Yes I know all that. I'm talking about where they came from *before* all of that, in the previous universe.

Maybe it was because they used Daisy's Inhuman/Kree blood mixture rather than pure Kree blood. I know the pure Kree blood killed the first test subjects, but Hive and the doctor probably didn't use the exact same process as the original Kree geneticists did.

Possible, I suppose. I think Simmons did say something about the serum meshing with her bio-chemisty, making it tough to figure out what it's actually doing. It's pretty wide open to speculation though.

I just had a thought. What if this is what Ross was calling Tony about at the end of Civil War?

Pretty sure he mentions "the Raft" before being cut off, so it's probably to do what what we just saw Steve do at the end of the movie.

I still wonder what Lash's criteria was for taking out which inhumans. He obviously was selective but I never saw a pattern.
Also- if Lash was meant to be the counter to Hive, was there a Lash-type inhuman each generation? Hive was exiled to a distant planet for many many years- it would be incredible foresight to have a Lash-type inhuman become active just when Hive returns to Earth.

Perhaps we're looking at it backwards?
What if Lash is "designed" to be a Kree bodyguard to protect them from rogue Inhumans. Since all Inhumans are technically rogue, he's instinctual hunting them all down, but thanks to the serum in her system his senses read Daisy as Kree, which is why he's protected her. The proof of that would be to check whether he's ever made an aggressive move on Coulson, who he should also read as Kree if this is indeed the case. I honestly don't recall if they've ever faced off.