I need to write some stuff on Alec Peters. I would hate for @TREKZONE.org and @carlosp to be the only dark acolytes of the Great Satan @Michael Hinman
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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*Trekzone.
I said this on an Axanar support group on FB, I'll say it again.
I have no problem with the appearance of my independence. I allowed Alec to speak for 32 minutes in part one, and Mike Bawden got plenty of airtime in the 70 minute part two.
In addition, yes, Carlos runs Axamonitor and some Axafaithful treat him as the enemy... but putting him in a conversation with Mike Bawden doesn't harm my independence, if anything it shows my willingness to listen to both sides of the argument and you can't get more independent than that.
Carlos doesn't have a podcast, so he used mine to connect with Mike Bawden (who previously was only replying to emails with statements.)
As for @Michael Hinman, we have clashed in private conversations about the way to cover this story but we have also agreed on many points as well. No one from Axanar will speak to me.
One need not claim there is no coordination. You are the person asserting that there must have been. The burden of proof for any assertion falls upon the person making it, not those who have the misfortune to hear it.
If you believe there has been some odd collusion then present your proof. But saying "there must have been" and then asking others to present proof to the contrary isn't an argument worth the electrons wasted to display it.
I hope you know I was kidding @TREKZONE.org
Only evildoers and/or space elf vampires fear the light (of truth)
Only evildoers and/or space elf vampires fear the light (of truth)
My god man, This is banter is over zero, null, nothing.
AP allowed Trekzone into his home
AP allowed a 3rd party to join.
A button had to be pushed and only one person had access to that button.
end of story.
Next......
Where is the complaint for the 3rd person?
hello?????
I want to know when AP got the call from C/P
I want to know when AP got the C&D from C/P
and then I'll make up my mind how I feel.
Mr. Galanter - the timing of the postings in multiple fora say plenty. The messaging posted in this forum says plenty also. In reviewing back a week in this forum, it is clear that certain individuals chose to advocate for the expansion of matters to other fan projects. Mr. Hinman even wrote a piece suggesting that Cawley and Mignogna needed to say more. My response was rubbish. They should stay away from the Axanar issue and I did not appreciate Hinman exerting this pressure on Cawley or Mignogna.
The stories and postings were timed and coming from the same people. No doubt about it.
Just go back and review 1701news, the pages here (with so many messages that I've only been able to review about 30 pages) but that was plenty... the speculative behavior is consistently voiced by the same voices and the message regarding CBS expanding action to other fan films was erroneous. Their speculation is negative on CBS and the CBS PR people. That's not fair to the CBS PR staff.
The response in this forum over the past 48 hours was about what I expected. After all, the primary players in the reporting are not responding, other than the guy from TrekZone. Don't you think you should ask these questions of "the reporters" who brought you the speculation rather than sending demands for more info from a fan and a newbie reader? After all, this is a forum and it's a free discussion.
To the guy running TrekZone, I appreciate your candor and your response.
I would say it's quite possible that AP never got a formal C&D from c/p. He clearly ignored a very public and explicit warning shot and I gather there is no requirement for a C&D before going straight to a lawsuit. If I'm wrong, anyone with some real knowledge about that process is welcome to correct me.
No. I still believe that someone making an assertion has to back it up to be taken seriously, not just assert and ask others to do their leg work. Now, I am not demanding you do so. I don't care if you do or don't. But if YOU want your assertion to have weight, you should want to back it up.
Let me give you an example. Say I assert that you are actually Alec Peters posting here. (I do not, for the record, believe you are.) Should I offer proof or demand you offer me proof you aren't Peters?
Yes, you're right. Except it's not "run of the mill" any more than Led Zeppelin being sued is run of the mill. Both are simple cases but still make headlines. In the Axanar case, it's big because CBS has not had to go to such lengths in the past, or at least not for a long, long time.
I'm not going to go look it up, but someone can correct me on this: Didn't Star Trek Continues start their latest crowd-funding campaign three or four months ago??
As I see it, there are two reason their efforts are falling short, and neither has to do with any recent blog musings. The first is the Axanar law suit which has been covered outside the Trek world (it made local TV news here), and the second is donor burn-out. This is their, what, fourth or fifth such crowd-funding, no? If I were so inclined to donate to a fan-film, I might throw $50 to $100 at it. And when they come back for a second project, I might toss them $25 or $50. But when they come back for a third time ... not so much.
Maybe never, I don't know. maybe it's true that C/P patted AP on the back and told him what a great thing he was doing and then slapped him with the suit.
I don't believe C/P has made a statement on this issue but it's really all one needs to know.
As Ross Perot said,: "What did he know and when did he know it."
Malcolm Tuckers had some great advice for 'off the record' fuck ups.
Malcolm: Enough. E-fucking-nough. You need to learn to shut your fucking cave. Right? Today, you have laid your first big fat egg of solid fuck. You took the data loss media strategy, and you ate it with a lump of ecoli, and then you sprayed it out of your arse at three hundred miles per hour.
Nicola: I simply made a mistake-
Malcolm: You got "on the record" and "off the record" fuckin' mixed up! ...The Mail have the motherload on this, so that means that there is a way through this for us, but it entails you, M'dear, eating a complete concrete mixer full of humble pie.
Bask in his Scottish wisdom.
Malcolm: Enough. E-fucking-nough. You need to learn to shut your fucking cave. Right? Today, you have laid your first big fat egg of solid fuck. You took the data loss media strategy, and you ate it with a lump of ecoli, and then you sprayed it out of your arse at three hundred miles per hour.
Nicola: I simply made a mistake-
Malcolm: You got "on the record" and "off the record" fuckin' mixed up! ...The Mail have the motherload on this, so that means that there is a way through this for us, but it entails you, M'dear, eating a complete concrete mixer full of humble pie.
Wait...wha?...
They started two months ago, though the planning and announcements naturally started earlier.
Well that explains a lot. If you're that disconnected from reality, the rest of what you post probably only makes sense in your own mind.
Wow. Just... WOW!
Did you really just imply that the public should not be informed of the truth that the future of fan films is currently uncertain, because that public might then not donate their dollars to those fan films?
How criminal of you.
Really? Misbehavior and disinformation? Not to be rude but I call bullshit on the pages of circular rhetorical nonsense you're posting about respected board members.
How about discussing the thread topic please.
It's something that I've been wanting to say for a while. Glad we're all ok @Jedi_Master!
You speak as if I'm not here...
No problem. But your consistent inability to see another side to what you are saying is starting to wear thin, perhaps that's the reason Hinman and Pedraza have long since left...?
And everyone will have their own opinion... however the answer is the editor, they decide what stories a publication pursues.
Which is completely fair. I'm always amused when there is a desire for less reporting on a story.
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