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Spoilers Captain America: Civil War - Grading & Discussion

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Perhaps the best thing to do here is NOT compare CW with BvS. I know that it's easy to do, since that's what a lot of people were curious about, but there's 99% certainty that that's gonna turn into a huge bitchfest. So perhaps we should just discus CW by itself?
 
Perhaps the best thing to do here is NOT compare CW with BvS. I know that it's easy to do, since that's what a lot of people were curious about, but there's 99% certainty that that's gonna turn into a huge bitchfest. So perhaps we should just discus CW by itself?
As I started it, I think I should say that, on reflection, I agree. And for the record, I liked BvS...
 
I rarely give anything A+ but I loved the hell out of this movie. And that's coming from someone who hated 'The Winter Solider'.

I'm totally impressed that they were able to pull this off with so many characters and a few new ones to introduce and reintroduce. There's so much going on but I didn't feel confused or felt they were cramming too much into this. It's the most serious of all the marvel films but damn entertaining.

Can't wait for Spider-man next year.
 
Especially since while they share some stuff, they were doing two different things really.
They kind of explore some similar themes though. I think you can't completely negate BvS because they are both superhero movies that have heroes fighting each other over the fact that they should be held accountable for their actions.
 
They kind of explore some similar themes though. I think you can't completely negate BvS because they are both superhero movies that have heroes fighting each other over the fact that they should be held accountable for their actions.

Batman v Superman ends with Batman planning to bring the Justice League together to deal with the coming invasion of Darkseid, while Civil War ends with the Avengers broken and divided while totally ignorant of Thanos coming to rain death on all of them.
 
I doubt he would be, unless it was in flashbacks. It's pretty clear that they aren't going to rehash the origin yet again. (Maybe we'll get something like the way Leterrier's The Incredible Hulk efficiently recapped the origin in the main-title montage.)

We don't need to see Uncle Ben dying on film again - the guy is right up there with Thomas and Martha (Martha!) Wayne.
 
^ I ctually think we'll see the origin, and not just in a two minute main credits montage. As long as it's 'featured in' Homecoming rather than what the movie's all about, that's fine. Either at the start of the movie or as a flashback...
 
As I started it, I think I should say that, on reflection, I agree. And for the record, I liked BvS...

Didn't mean to point fingers, if it felt like that, I'm sorry. My comment was not directed to anyone. ;) And I haven't seen BvS yet, so for me, I couldn't even compare.
 
I doubt he would be, unless it was in flashbacks. It's pretty clear that they aren't going to rehash the origin yet again. (Maybe we'll get something like the way Leterrier's The Incredible Hulk efficiently recapped the origin in the main-title montage.)
Taking a page from Leterrier's book is exactly what I hope for. Everyone knows Spider-Man's origin just like everyone knows Batman's and Superman's origins. If doing this for the Hulk worked out just fine, then they can do it here.
 
Didn't mean to point fingers, if it felt like that, I'm sorry. My comment was not directed to anyone. ;) And I haven't seen BvS yet, so for me, I couldn't even compare.
No problem, you didn't.

I held my hands up - mea culpa !
 
Well that was very good, Cap's films are solidified as the best (current) trilogy within the MCU in my opinion.
And despite the large cast this is still definitely a Cap film rather than Avengers 2.5.

By the way is Black Panther standalone supposed to be a prequel origin story, or will the events in it continue on from this ending?
 
In the comics, only the king can be the Black Panther... Did he drop the name, but keep the "armour" when T'Chala's sister leapfroged over him to take the Throne?
 
Spoilers. Duh.





No Fury. I guess he'll be back to knock some sense into them at the start of infinity wars.

No Pepper either. Has Gwyneth Paltrow fallen out with the production crew, missing in avengers 2 and this one.

Who's left in Stank's lot now? Vision is mopey, Rhodey is struggling to walk. Black Widow has shifting loyalties. Spider-Man is back in school. BP has shifted sides, and is now with Cap, Ant, Hawkeye, Falcon, and S.Witch (Bucky being back in the freezer and mostly 'armless, for now)

It's a big building for a small team.

I assume everyone saw both the kid and end credit scenes. Is Spider-Man the only MCA character to have a secret identity? It's a big difference from the DC universe.
 
I just saw it today, rated it A. The entire Captain America trilogy has been great thus far and Civil War is no exception. Most of the characters were well used. Loved Ant-Man, Black Panther and Spiderman in this. Vision comes across as a stick in the mud who on one hand gave the "with great power comes great responsibility" speech, was also the one who caused quite a lot of chaos (trying to be very vague here).
 
In the comics, only the king can be the Black Panther... Did he drop the name, but keep the "armour" when T'Chala's sister leapfroged over him to take the Throne?

Did I miss something completely, I got the impression that T'Challa is king now. I also got the impression that T'Challa had been the Panther for a while, and that this was not his first time in the suit.
 
Did I miss something completely, I got the impression that T'Challa is king now. I also got the impression that T'Challa had been the Panther for a while, and that this was not his first time in the suit.

I was asking about years ago in the comics, when his sister Shuri became Queen. She levelled up to become Black Panther, imbued with the mystical powers of the Panther God who protects Wakanda, after T'Challa is rendered comatose and could not rule.

In the comics.

Not the movie.

In the comics the Wakandan monarch is Pope to the Panther God, and therefore the one and only "Black Panther". Wikipedia tells me that when Shuri took over, that T'Challa's connection to the Panther God was severed. Once Chuck was out of his coma, he was bog standard with no more panther like super powers, but he found a new/better Panther god to get better super powers from, because he didn't want to be a dick about his sister keeping the throne. but I'm still not completely sure if they both answered to the name Black Panther even though only the Queen was legitimately the Pope to the Black Panther Church.

His sister seems to be dead at the moment, and Wakanda is no longer a wasteland littered with 100s of millions of corpses since the Secret Wars, so maybe "Franklin Richards" resurrected Shuri hen he rebuilt the prime universe?

This is King T'Chaka kicking Steve's ass back in the 1940s.

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