Agents of SHIELD: Season 3 - Discussion (SPOILERS LIKELY)

[Marsden]

I had a similar experience with my Civil War build up re-watch, with both Avengers and Captain America: The First Avenger. Obviously, The Red Skull knew of alien artifacts and probably about Inhumans, but I don't believe that he believed that Hive still lived or was recoverable. He believed in Hydra's goals, but believed them to be achievable only through science, not in archaic rituals and human sacrifice. In my head canon, in his megalomania, the Skull believed that by taking Erskine's serum (which he believed to be the equivalent of terrigenesis), he would supplant Hive in the mythology and become the Hydra god that ruled the world himself.

That's a good point, Col. Philips did mention they worshiped Shimdt like a god, maybe that was part of the indoctrination kicking in.

And I'm sure Hydra members have various reasons for being involved, I doubt that Garret was ever a true believer, either.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I get the impression from the last couple episodes that Malick was the Hive believer, not necessarily Hyda as a whole (I don't think Whitehall cared, for example, based on his one scene).

 

[Christopher]

I get the impression from the last couple episodes that Malick was the Hive believer, not necessarily Hyda as a whole (I don't think Whitehall cared, for example, based on his one scene).

Yes, exactly. Hydra had many branches with different goals, beliefs, and priorities, just like any centuries-old belief system. Whitehall was a disciple of Red Skull's faction, which rejected the mysticism and worship of the Hive believers in favor of better conquest through Science.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Aww, Fitz and Simmons finally get together. If either one of them dies now, I will be really upset. I was half expecting Mack to walk in on them.

It's interesting how they portray Hive-Ward's minions. They are still themselves, but it's like they drank the Kool-Aid. I wonder what they will be like once they are cured. Or if getting the Hive-stuff out of their brains will even cure them now.

The elimination of HYDRA did seem very perfunctory, and implausibly easy.

 

[Turtletrekker]

The elimination of HYDRA did seem very perfunctory, and implausibly easy.

When Talbot said, "The head has been cut", my first thought was, "And two more shall take its place!"

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Aww, Fitz and Simmons finally get together. If either one of them dies now, I will be really upset. I was half expecting Mack to walk in on them. .

I wouldn't be surprised if Simmons is already dead given her cold hands.

 

[Marsden]

RJD, I agree with your last sentence, my quote isn't working right now.
I was disappointed that when Talbot's forces got to blow up all of those Hydra guys, it's kind of a non event. I guess it was to demonstrate exactly what Coulson said about this should be a great day and it's not because of Daisy being controlled by Hive. That makes dramatic sense, but I'd have much preferred to at least see some of it for a few minutes of footage. But that's what we got.


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Maybe she's been infected by Hive.

We're really not clear on what its powers are, it could possible affect non Inhumans but in different ways.

It obviously makes use of human hosts, can it inhabit more than one at a time?

Does the human have to be dead to be inhabited?



Will Elizabeth Henstridge be Hive for season 4 after the Ward body is destroyed this year?
Dun dun DAhhh!

Sorry, I tried to do that musical cue thing at the end sorry. But did anyone else find it extremely suspicious that Hive was basically all over her and she gets away fine after a scene break? Last time there was a flashback to how Daisy was corrupted during her scene break. Now I'm scared. I didn't even think of that until I saw Aldair's post but I can't not think it now.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I wouldn't be surprised if Simmons is already dead given her cold hands.

I had the same thought when Fitz said that. I hope that's not the case, though all the romantic build-up between them is often a harbinger for someone dying. It could just be Fitz's nervous banter, but it definitely gave me a sense of forboding when he said that.

 

[Kemaiku]

Humans do have to be dead for him to inhabit, and it looks like he can only take one host at a time, that squid like symbiote has to jump bodies. As for animating dead bodies beside's his own in their own way, I'm not sure we've seen him do that before, but his powers are still growing.

Gah, infected Inhumans *and* zombie humans on his side, that's not fair.

 

[safarial]

Similar to wes/fred from angel

 

[cylkoth]

I had the same thought when Fitz said that. I hope that's not the case, though all the romantic build-up between them is often a harbinger for someone dying. It could just be Fitz's nervous banter, but it definitely gave me a sense of forboding when he said that.

I've been on pins and needles over the two of them as well after seeing Hive's true form then remembering...

Spoiler

...while stranded on Maveth, she chowed down on a tentacled creature before finding Will.

Yikes!

 

[Briet]

I really don't want either of them to die because their are very good characters played by two tremendous actors, but if it happens I'd prefer Simmons to survive, because we already seen depressed Fitz, so I would love to see Simmons turning into a super villain. She could definitely pull it off. And maybe he could team up with Ian Quinn, where ever the hell he has been for the past two years.

 

[JD]

Aww, Fitz and Simmons finally get together. If either one of them dies now, I will be really upset. I was half expecting Mack to walk in on them.

It's interesting how they portray Hive-Ward's minions. They are still themselves, but it's like they drank the Kool-Aid. I wonder what they will be like once they are cured. Or if getting the Hive-stuff out of their brains will even cure them now.

The elimination of HYDRA did seem very perfunctory, and implausibly easy.

Yeah, I was a little surprised how quickly they wiped out HYDRA too. I'm wondering if Civil War has some kind of references to HYDRA finally being completely destroyed once and for all, so they had to throw that into AoS so they will line up.

I had the same thought when Fitz said that. I hope that's not the case, though all the romantic build-up between them is often a harbinger for someone dying. It could just be Fitz's nervous banter, but it definitely gave me a sense of forboding when he said that.

Yeah, I wasn't quite sure what to make of the cold hands thing either, it did seem like the kind of thing that could be set up for something.

 

[Christopher]

Yeah, I wasn't quite sure what to make of the cold hands thing either, it did seem like the kind of thing that could be set up for something.

I thought it was just a nice bit of naturalism, the kind of unromantic awkwardness that's often associated with first-time intimacy, as opposed to the usual fantasy of wild passion. It fit in nicely with the overall way the storyline was handled. People can have cold extremities for a variety of reasons (Simmons was just pretty badly scared, for one thing), and that's something couples have to deal with when they sleep together. It was a nice everyday touch. I'd actually be a bit disappointed if it turned out to have some deeper foreshadowing purpose.

 

[Ovation]

If she's like my wife, cold hands and feet are just part of life. I didn't get an ominous sense at all from that moment. Not that that means anything.

 

[Reverend]

Yeah, some people just have poor circulation. No big deal.

 

[Crow T. Robot]

It's almost like it's an actual thing or something.

 

[Myko]

Yeah, I was a little surprised how quickly they wiped out HYDRA too. I'm wondering if Civil War has some kind of references to HYDRA finally being completely destroyed once and for all, so they had to throw that into AoS so they will line up.

Spoiler for Civil War:

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Not really specifically, but it feels like Hydra is a non-entity in present day in the movie.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Yeah, I was a little surprised how quickly they wiped out HYDRA too. I'm wondering if Civil War has some kind of references to HYDRA finally being completely destroyed once and for all, so they had to throw that into AoS so they will line up.

That's what I was thinking, too. In any case, it doesn't mean that they have to stay dead in the long-term for the show...just that the world has to think they're dead in the short term. The world thought that HYDRA was dead in 1945, too, and they managed to grow in the shadows for nearly 70 years.

 

[Christopher]

That's what I was thinking, too. In any case, it doesn't mean that they have to stay dead in the long-term for the show...just that the world has to think they're dead in the short term. The world thought that HYDRA was dead in 1945, too, and they managed to grow in the shadows for nearly 70 years.

Maybe, but I'd rather they let somebody else be the bad guys for a while. I don't see the point of returning to the same well over and over and over. Heck, Malick-Hydra was one "head" too many for me. Let's move on at long last. No shortage of other bad guys in Marveldom.