Agents of SHIELD: Season 3 - Discussion (SPOILERS LIKELY)
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@Christopher and @Reverend are actually members of HYDRA, perpetuating the myth of their organization's demise for their own fiendish purposes.
(And now I have to be silenced....)
I can't believe you actually posted a link to an article about cold hands like people aren't aware that it's a real thing.
Just in case any other Captains Obvious feel like sharing such profound anatomical revelations, I even pointed out in my post that it could just be Fitz nervously commenting on her cold hands and nothing more.
Right, exactly.
Aargh, that never occurred to me. As others have said, it just seemed like a normal part of geek sex (like tipping over when you're trying to get your shoes off). And she was just in very close quarters with Hive-Ward. Now I'm really worried.
I don't follow the movies, so I was wondering if something happened that they had to quickly catch up with. It had that kind of feel to it.
Maybe Simmons is an Inhuman and we just don't know it yet. Not all powers have to be literally earth-shaking.
When people's first thought is "omg, cold hands, she must be a living corpse!", rather than something that happens to people regularly on a daily basis, especially in that exact sort of circumstance, then yeah, it kind of suggests that maybe they need a reality check on the subject.
Nevermind that Hive doesn't have this particular power as far as we know; he inhabits dead human bodies. He has no real power over non-Inhumans except the power to kill them.
Oh, and there's also been no comments from anyone who's come into physical contact with him that the Hive's possessed body is cold, either.
Dead people tend to have colder hands, which was my point. I didn't say I thought it was certain, I said it was a concern.
The things that might reassure me are this: Hive has only been shown to inhabit one dead person at a time and there are times in the past he probably would have benefited from inhabiting more than one and didn't, which suggests he can't (although it's not clear from the dialogue with Will whether he possessed his fellow astronauts one at a time or all at once); and the video of the cast reading the script made everyone go awww, no one there seemed to sense foreboding.
The things that don't reassure me: This is the kind of show that likes to do twists like that (particularly to torture Fitz and Simmons). Also, if Hive has the ability to make the dead living again as shown with how he reinvigorated Ward's body (and also mirrors the comics with Madame Hydra), it might be a plot device to keep Ward on the show - finding a way to remove the parasite without killing the host will save Jemma Simmons but also save Ward.
Well look at it this way: if Hive had infected Simmons, then what would have been the point of that exchange between her and it invoking Will's memories? None whatsoever is what.
Plus, they already have one member of the team compromised, there's no need to double down on that. It's like the "Ward is brainwashed" or the "Bobbie is really Hydra" arguments all over again.
Plus, they already have one member of the team compromised, there's no need to double down on that. It's like the "Ward is brainwashed" or the "Bobbie is really Hydra" arguments all over again.
The Koenigs aren't robots. The one Ward killed was clearly flesh and blood -- lots and lots of blood.
Both the Koenigs and Deathlok have gotten name drops in recent episodes, but presumably the actors' schedules are keeping them from appearing.
Arrrrgggh! Judging by your posts in this thread and elsewhere, we should stop reading any possible subtext into what we see and take everything ultra-literally, and never make any jokes or offhand observations about anything, lest you clamp down on those kind of shenanigans with an iron fist (which is not to imply that your fist is literally made of iron).
So you're saying we need a reality check when we're watch a superhero/sci-fi/comic books show? Dude, reality hasn't been a factor in this show from the moment we first saw Mike Peters use his powers.
I have a feeling everyone who thinks something ominous is happening with Simmons are perfect aware that there could also be a mundane explanation, but that doesn't mean we can't theorize what bad stuff could be happening.
Uhm, not sure how her having cold hands was anything but an offhand observation made by Fitz, or a joke on your part. It's not my fault your observations don't hold up or lacks any substance, as is the case here.
Unless Hive has a new power that for some reason he has chosen never to use before despite the usefulness of it, and in fact is in direct contrast to everything we know about him, there's no way he has infected or is controlling Simmons. And even if he was, there'd be no reason for her to have cold hands. Heck, Simmons herself would have mentioned how cold Hive was when he was touching her in that same episode, as well as the other people who've touched him before that.
No, my post about the cold hand comment wasn't a joke. I was talking about your other angry venture into extreme literalism in response to a joke observation by another poster in The Big Bang Theory thread, which you're still going on about.
Again, stipulated for the fourth time that it most likely is just her having cold hands and there might not be any subtext. It doesn't change that it gave me and obviously several others a moment of pause due to FitzSimmons finally getting together and how that's often a mark of death in genre shows, the fact that Gemma had just spent time alone in the company of Hive, the fatalistic tone of the episode, and the constant announcements that "SOMEONE ON THE TEAM WILL DIE!!!" Also, the whole season has revolved around the Fitz/Simmons/Will-Hive triangle and losing or almost losing your loved ones (May & Andrew, Coulson & Rosalind, Coulson & Daisy), so it would make sense to continue that dynamic, and would have a greater sense of tragedy.
Also, we only saw Hive inhabit a single human while he was in his most weakened state on the planet. Now that he's at full power maybe he's capable of much more, including infecting other humans autonomously just as he does Inhumans. He probably wouldn't do it often because he considers most humans (unlike Gemma) weak and unworthy.
Oh, I see how it works. You just make up stuff to validate otherwise perfectly mundane occurences just 'cause. I get it, I get it.
In that case, I'm pretty sure Gemma's cold hands means she's instead a latent metahuman (but not Inhuman, else the Hive would clearly have infected her before now) with ice powers, and the next time she's shagging Fitz, she's going to accidentally turn him into an ice cube.
Sure, there's absolutely nothing to back that up whatsoever, but hey, it's just a a casual observation and fulfills the requirements that you seem to have (that one of them is about to die). So blammo, perfectly sound and beyond reproach. And should anyone say it doesn't make any sense or has no basis in the reality of the show, they shall be ridiculed and insulted.
Unfounded and illogical speculation, yes indeed it is. Glad you agree. 
Really? It's actually bad? In a "harmful to humanity" sense? People are speculating about a show where the laws of physics are violated on an hourly basis (if not more frequently) and somehow suggesting "cold hands" might mean something other than the mundane thing I took it to be (I did not read anything unusual into it when I saw it) is "unfounded and illogical"? The whole bloody show is "unfounded and illogical". And surely speculation on a mostly anonymous BBS hardly "bad" in any way, shape or form--unfounded, illogical or otherwise?
Within the show's own internal logic, knowledge, and revelation of abilities, yes, it's very much unfounded and illogical. The Hive doesn't have this power. It's been made clear several times that he has no power over humans other than his ability to turn them into burning red skeletons. And at no point has he or anyone else he's controlled been cold to the touch. That would have been a dead giveaway for Daisy, for instance.
So, basically we're on Simmons is secretly evil 4.0.
First it was she's totally a HYDRA sleeper agent, then it was she's totally on an anti-inhuman crusade, and then it was she's totally going to screw over Coulson and side with pretentious SHIELD. So now we're at she's actually a zombie.
Can we get some new speculation please? This one's starting to smell like 2 year old rotting milk.
First it was she's totally a HYDRA sleeper agent, then it was she's totally on an anti-inhuman crusade, and then it was she's totally going to screw over Coulson and side with pretentious SHIELD. So now we're at she's actually a zombie.
Can we get some new speculation please? This one's starting to smell like 2 year old rotting milk.
My thought is dead people are cold to the touch, he can control dead people. You would agree with that much, at least, right?
