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Spoilers The Flash - Season 2

kirk55555 said:
I really hope that's what happens. But, even if he is, was he ever The Flash? Does he even have speed powers? If Hunter Zoloman was always the Earth 2 "Flash", that's still a pretty stupid thing to do for the Earth 2 Flash.
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He is kept in the "speedster cage" just like Barry was and not the "regular cage" that kept Jessie and Wally, which could indicate he is indeed a speedster.

Also, Hunter has been known to lie so there might have been an actual Flash(Jay Garrick) on Earth 2 who might have kept his identity hidden(like Barry does) and when Hunter imprisoned him he could have shown his face and just said he was the Flash all along.
 
I hope you're right. I just have very little trust in Berlanti to not screw this up, even though I generally really like The Flash.
 
How does the man in the iron mask exist in both Earth-1 and Earth-2 as Jay's prisoner when we see Wally tied up? or did Cisco opening the portal remain open?
 
Regarding the time double schtick...it's a sobering reminder that this show is brought to us by the same people who make Legends of Tomorrow....

davejames said:
And then after finally trapping the extremely dangerous Zoom he fails to secure him in any real way and spends a ridiculous amount of time gloating and sounding cocky as hell about it instead.
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To be fair, Barry knew that some exposition was in order and he was the only one in a position to facilitate it.
 
Guy Gardener said:
The monkeys writing the script for the Flash, even with Greg at the top, were probably legally not allowed to know the intimate details of what was happening over in Supergirl land before it aired. And since both episodes were finished being made months before they aired, it's not like the writers could have watched Supergirl to find out and touch up their Flash script. Hell it's even possible that Supergirl s01e18 was filmed AFTER this episode of the Flash, and Grant hadn't gotten his script yet, so they couldn't even say "Grant, you've got 2 minutes to adlib and pull dialogue out of your bum about what you did over at CBS: ACTION!".

The Supergirl episode had to have been made while Flash was on Hiatus, unless Grant is some type of Superman who can make two episodes of TV a week ...Have they wrapped up shooting for the year ion Flash?
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The same production people make both shows. They know what's going on on both.
 
I'll give the show a break if Harrison and Barry at least managed to poison Zoom while giving up Barry's speed. Otherwise, I'm going to have to agree with the others that Barry did not come across very well in this episode.
 
Even without knowing the details at ALL, seems like some sort of "uh, was just on another Earth, must have punched through with the speed. I was gone longer from my perspective, neat."

All of that could have been known without knowing ANYTHING about the SG episode. Also, it stands out worse because right after he punches a hole into an alternate earth all by himself, he pesters Cisco into trying to do it for him all episode. After he JUST returned from doing it all by himself. Seems like it was relevant to the problem, no? Especially since if he could control it, it means he could get to Earth 2 without opening up a regular gateway that Zoom could return from. Could safely battle him there without opening up HIS earth to attack...
 
Thought.

Surely they assumed/hoped that this Flash instalment would air "before" the Supergirl episode?

Explaining away the Supergirl story would spoil and disarm the "upcoming" episode.
 
Makes sense.

It was stupid to put the crossover in the middle of an episode. I had assumed it would take place between episodes.
 
Would have been nice if he at least returned in a different spot than he disappeared, seeing as how he left Supergirl's world in a completely different area.
 
Timelord Victorious said:
Could it be that the entire episode was already filmed when they got the green light on the crossover and all they were able to do to reference it where a quick effect in post production and dubbing "I am back?" over a different line of dialog?
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Christopher said:
Good question. Was Barry on camera when he said "How long was I gone?" Did we see his mouth move?
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Okay, I went back and double-checked, and he was on camera when he said that, but it was an isolated one-shot, so it could've been a quick pickup shot filmed later and dropped into the scene to insert a token Supergirl nod into a previously filmed sequence.

(By the way, it's ironic to watch The Flash via On Demand cable and get the message saying "The fast forward function has been disabled for this content.")
 
Scout101 said:
Also, it stands out worse because right after he punches a hole into an alternate earth all by himself, he pesters Cisco into trying to do it for him all episode. After he JUST returned from doing it all by himself. Seems like it was relevant to the problem, no? Especially since if he could control it, it means he could get to Earth 2 without opening up a regular gateway that Zoom could return from. Could safely battle him there without opening up HIS earth to attack...
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Barry had no control over how he punched his way to SG's Earth. Cisco could, with precision, re-open a breach from the exact location where one existed. Zoom didn't create the breaches, so Barry's speed wouldn't necessarily allow him to reopen one-at least, not without knowing how to do it.
 
This was the first episode of The Flash I can safely say I didn't like. For one, the Zoom explanation bordered on confusing to dumb, especially when Hunter was saying stuff about convincing his younger self to die. I mean really? It's that easy to go back in time and tell yourself you should die now? Also, Barry in the last few episodes has come across as arrogant and stupid. Maybe Harrison Wells/Reverse Flash was good to keep him grounded so he doesn't do anything foolish but I would think after being the Flash for a long period of time, Berry would know a thing or two and become smarter because of it.

Also, this episode was a symptom of a larger problem I have with season 2. There's really no "Holy Crap" moments this year like there was last year. Maybe it's because of all the hiatuses, or maybe it's because when I saw season 1, it was during the summer and there were no breaks, but at this time last year I couldn't wait till the new episode to find out what happened next. I think it was about the time last year when Barry time traveled for the first time that I was like, yeah this show is pretty cool. This year the time travel aspects have made the show confusing. They're talking about time remnets and killing past selves, and I'll say this, Zoom was a whole lot more menacing earlier in the season when he was kicking Barry's ass up and down Central City. What happened to That Zoom. The follow through has left a lot to be desired.

In terms of the whole Supergirl thing, that didn't piss me off, but it irked me quite a bit. You'd think even if he had come back at the same point in which he left, he would have been excited at the experience he just had. I mean he went to another earth, helped an alien deal with two villains, and came back and not even a peep? Cisco would have had a field day with that. Also, that supergirl episode is no longer considered a Cross over. It was Supergirl with The Flash guest starring. A crossover would usually affect more than one show, but this was only done on Supergirl's behalf.
 
cylkoth said:
Barry had no control over how he punched his way to SG's Earth. Cisco could, with precision, re-open a breach from the exact location where one existed. Zoom didn't create the breaches, so Barry's speed wouldn't necessarily allow him to reopen one-at least, not without knowing how to do it.
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Correction: Barry had no idea whether what he did to punch through to SG's earth could be controlled or not. Because he didn't tell anyone it happened. If he had, they could have studied the data and come up with theories, tests, etc, which might or might not have enabled them to control it. It would've taken longer than convincing Cisco, but, then again, that early in the episode he hadn't even hit on the idea that Cisco could do it yet, so it remains idiotic that he never mentioned it. Plus, it could've been worth some extra time if it allowed him to travel without opening a portal that Zoom could use.
 
Scout101 said:
Also, it stands out worse because right after he punches a hole into an alternate earth all by himself, he pesters Cisco into trying to do it for him all episode. After he JUST returned from doing it all by himself. Seems like it was relevant to the problem, no? Especially since if he could control it, it means he could get to Earth 2 without opening up a regular gateway that Zoom could return from.
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That's why I *have* to think that confused look that crossed his face *had* to have been the memory of the crossover leaving his mind for some cross-dimensional, timey-wimey reason. Or... here's a neat thought I just had: what if that isn't "our" Barry? Instead, he's a parallel that just arrived while trying the same experiment on Earth 12 or whatever, while "our" Barry is actually having the Supergirl crossover during the rest of the episode's events? If so, this Barry is probably screwed. Since he isn't "our" Barry, there's no guarantee he'll get his speed back.
 
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