Not so evident to me, but I'll admit to not going looking for that kind of thing. How many reviewers have there been that gave it a bad review after stating that they wanted it to fail rather than beforehand?
Spoilers Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Grading & Discussion
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I don't really like the characters, the premise or Leto, so it's a tough sell to me. However, I'm prepared to try to be open mided about it. I was similarly 'down' on BvS and that wasn't as bad as I expected - I do, however, like the characters in that one !
I have only watched the first Suicide Squad trailer - I read that most/all of the gags were in the trailers, so I'm trying to avoid them and stay fresh for the film...
About to pass "Breaking Dawn Pt.2" at #49 on the all time world wide chart (non-adjusted).
Faraci's assertion was that all the jokes were in the first official trailer. Then the second one hit, and it had a bunch of jokes too. This will be a funny movie. Funnier than the new Ghostbusters, anyway.
Funnier than the old Ghostbusters movie too then...
I find it hella ironic that the movie that depicts the media's tendency for sensationalism when discussing Superman is in turn subjected to that same sensationalism in real life.
And everyone I know that has seen it, liked it.
But that's just anecdotal evidence, neither of which can be extrapolated to the status of "universal opinion".
Statistics and cold hard facts however do show that the movie is mostly positively received by the audiences, you just don't get to $830+ million if nobody enjoyed the movie.
Anecdotal ? True.
$830mill not possible if no-one liked it ? Normally I'd agree, but the massive opening was going to happen even if it was a total turkey. This was a hugely anticipated movie.
Tell that to Transformers 2.
Well, 7.2 @ IMDB is solid, albeit nothing to write home about. I'd say an average viewer would put it somewhere between "meh" and "OK".
Was there ever a movie in all of history that NOBODY enjoyed? I bet there are people who even enjoyed the "Serbian Film" and all of the "Human Centipede" movies.
Fuck, there are people right now, on this Earth, who enjoy Melissa McCarthy movies.
As for BvS, I personally enjoyed most of it. It was a fairly typical Snyder movie - some bits were great, some were ok, and some some were garbage.
Among fandom, sure.
But fandom is just a tiny part of moviegoing audiences.
We're entering an age where comic book movies aren't an "event" anymore that happens once or twice a year and everybody automatically flocks to see them, there's seven of them this year alone, with even more already announced each year for the next few years.
People are gonna start getting more picky as to which ones they go to (I kinda have a feeling X-Men: Apocalypse will be the first true casualty of that).
Not just among fandom. This was Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. In the same movie. Entire generations grew up with those characters. The opening weekened was always going to be huge, no matter what the quality of the movie was.
And comic book movies haven't been an 'event' that happens once or twice a year for a long time. Looking at a short wikipedia list, most years for the past decade have had at least 3 and many had 5. This year is slightly bigger (it's also bigger than next year's plans and all currently available plans for future years after that, so in any case is not the start of a new trend), but then, that's only true because I weeded out all the original comic book style superhero stories that were popular before the MCU made source material cool and have now disappeared. The only real difference is that most superhero movies now have at least passable reputations whereas ten years ago a good chunk of what came out just bombed completely.
There's 7 this year. There's also at least 7 next year, and then confirmed 6 in 2018 and 2019 just from MCU and DCEU(3 each), with Fox and Paramount yet to declare(Deadpool 2 and another X-Men very likely and TMNT3 probable if TMNT 2 is somewhat successful).
Don't record breaking ticket pre-sales (purchased even before the reviews started coming out) prove how anticipated the movie was? To claim seeing the movie opening weekend wasn't an "event" is almost factually a lie.
I count six next year based on what I'm looking at. Unless you're including the Power Rangers movie, which was part of the group I cut out along with all the older non-comic superhero movies. And, like I said, if youdo count the non-comic book superhero movies that were really popular several years ago (which, to the GA, is all the same genre) this isn't the first time there's been so many in one year. There were 9 in 2008 alone.
I also only see 5 movies confirmed for 2018 and 5 for 2019. That also already includes one of Fox's marvel movies, by the way. We just don't know which one it will be. To say nothing of the scheduling phantoms that those lists very well could include (if we'd had this conversation last year, you'd be including Sony's sinister six movie and the theoretical spider cinematic universe that was supposed to follow it).
And since your original claim was about the genre entering a new phase where it's not just 1 or 2 movies every year, I don't see how it matters much if we're talking about 5 movies per year versus 6 or 7. Either way, superhero movies have been put out in bigger batches almost every year since the mid 2000s. Certainly a year which only had 1 or 2 has been extremely rare.
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Well, obviously it doesn't work that way, right? Nobody comes out and says "I want this movie to fail." They do however use subtler signals that indicate they're committed to a certain narrative, like keeping speculative stories about the near-certainty of a flop or a stream of imaginary scenarios about what a "flop" would mean for the movie business in heavy rotation in advance of release. And if the expected flop does not materialize -- that narrative got blown right out of the water when the movie grossed almost a half billion in its opening weekend -- then if various parties are trying to salvage some credibility from the wreckage of that narrative, you then get a constant barrage of stories about the "record" second-week drop and how that must mean it's kinda-sorta a flop, right? And then you get assorted speculations about how it will have "failed" if it doesn't reach [some arbitrary gross number about two hundred millions in excess of wherever it's reached], because sure it's "profitable" but if you're the sort of person who likes to sleep on beds of currency, is it profitable enough for the mattress to have the proper thickness?
We've seen plenty of all that, and of course I'm inferring certain things from those patterns of behaviour, but not, I think, unfairly.
Do we have a Justice League anticipation thread yet? Because I see that in addition to JJJ, er, JK Simmons playing Gordon in it, Willem Dafoe has now joined the movie as an unnamed good guy. Can we take it that Snyder is a fan of Sam Raimi's Spider-man?! 
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...ue-adds-willem-dafoe-880889?facebook_20160419
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...ue-adds-willem-dafoe-880889?facebook_20160419
Snyder- Who ever worked in Raimi's Spider-man will work here RIGHT?! RIGHT?!
James Franco as Captain Cold
Tobey maguire as Darkseid.
James Franco as Captain Cold
Tobey maguire as Darkseid.
Simmons makes a great anything.
I counted Lego Batman.
You're right, it's not 2, there's been on average 4 for the past 4 years. And it's jumping to 7 for the next 4 years.
Now you could say "it's only 3 more", or you could say "it's almost double" the number of movies. Either way, my point was that with more choice people are likely to be more choosy.