Spoilers Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Grading & Discussion
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I forgot about that. I know it obviously hasn't been a flop, or a failure, but I think it's pretty clearly not doing as well as DC was hoping. Obviously it wasn't going to be able to hold onto the huge numbers from opening weekend, but there have been plenty of movies that had huge opening weekends and managed to keep pretty good numbers in the following weeks. The fact the BvS couldn't is not a good sign, and then on top of that there's the lukewarm reaction it's gotten.
When I went to get a BvS ticket the other people in line were buying tickets for The Boss!
I'm sure all those people were recaptured within 24 hours
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It's fun to think about what the problem with Snyder might be (though he obviously has talent and individuality). Is it that everything has to be so mega-epic that there's no room for relatability? Does he just hammer the audience too relentlessly with big moments?
https://www.inverse.com/article/14418-jesse-eisenberg-blames-bad-editing-for-batman-v-superman
The original cut was four hours long. Remember back when there was a rumor they were cutting the movie in half and releasing it as two movies? I actually would have liked for that to have had happened. You filmed four hours anyway; releasing two two hour movies would double your box office. And apparently it would have solved all the editing / rushed problems.
Movie One: Batman Versus Superman. ends with them fighting and making peace.
Movie Two: Superman Dawn of Justice deals with Wonder Woman and Doomsday. More time to properly do Death of Superman, and also show Supes and Bats being friends before the death.
The original cut was four hours long. Remember back when there was a rumor they were cutting the movie in half and releasing it as two movies? I actually would have liked for that to have had happened. You filmed four hours anyway; releasing two two hour movies would double your box office. And apparently it would have solved all the editing / rushed problems.
Movie One: Batman Versus Superman. ends with them fighting and making peace.
Movie Two: Superman Dawn of Justice deals with Wonder Woman and Doomsday. More time to properly do Death of Superman, and also show Supes and Bats being friends before the death.
I think whether one likes or dislikes a movie of his, this can be fairly said to be a bad habit of Snyder's. 300 was nigh unwatchable for me for this reason. I think he's gotten better.
I really really wish they would do that for the home release, rather than just an extra 25 minutes.
EDIT: In the article, the film editor explains that the extended version is basically the 4-hour version with the fat trimmed:
“It was a lot to juggle. So the plot lines of a couple characters had to go," he said. “What’s kind of fun is that we went back and did an extended cut where we put a lot of this stuff back, and we refined it into the same rhythm as the theatrical release. So what was once a nearly four hour cut with absolutely everything [which] was ridiculous – ended up being about a three hour cut, once all these added storylines were refined with the fat was cut out.”
Also in the article: JL1 has started filming!
Also, kinda sweet, Eisenberg says his parents liked the movie.
I'm really sad that Sucker Punch suffered from this. There's a lot I like about that movie, but the relentless doom-n-gloom of the IRL setting (especially the opening and the ending) means I can't face rewatching it.
Pretty much covered my feelings on the movie. I loved it and can't wait for the Blu-ray. I'm growing sick of the Marvel formula and prefer something more deep and adult oriented.
But Snyder doesn't do "adult".
He does what an average 13 year old boy would think to be adult.
There was nothing more adult in this movie than most superhero movies out there, be it Marvel or otherwise. Let's not kid ourselves.
(and adult CAN be silly or fun, too, for the record)
He does what an average 13 year old boy would think to be adult.
There was nothing more adult in this movie than most superhero movies out there, be it Marvel or otherwise. Let's not kid ourselves.
(and adult CAN be silly or fun, too, for the record)
Yeah, a pity, there were actually some sort of interesting ideas going on in that movie, but way too heavy a touch. And the centerpiece action pieces felt almost abstract and hard to connect to, unusual for a Snyder movie.
M'rk son of Mogh said:
Well, there was -- but not any moreso than the run of Nineties "gritty realism" was more "adult" than most superhero fare. It's not nothing, but of course it's hardly Hemingway or Saramago either.
No, it would have kept many casual ticket-buyers away from both, particularly given how little happens by the story's midpoint.
Are you trying to imagine a rewrite the script, or wildly misunderstanding the reality? Because if the original cut was four hours, those extra scenes would have been virtually all talk, as action sequences are far too expensive to plan and not use. Ergo, almost all the cut material would have been from before Clark and Bruce started fighting. Your imaginary "movie two" would have been about an hour long, with one action sequence and the denouement.
And, news flash: saying that cut material would saved a given movie is a classic excuse for a bad movie. Sometimes it's true, certainly, but it usually isn't. When an extended cut is released, it tends to be good, because studios have little incentive to put out a bad one (though many modern comedy extended cuts in particularly suffer from bloat). It's rare for studios to put out extended cuts that really don't work - they usually release such bits as deleted scenes, if at all. But, make no mistake - if all four hours of the initial cut worked, they'd be releasing that on home media. The fact that they're only releasing a three-hour cut strongly indicates that even they know the extra stuff has no place in the movie.
I thought that the first half of this film was surprisingly good, much better than I expected, even though it largely stuck to well-trodden paths. Holly Hunter's performance and her character, Finch, were the notable highlights.
The last third was dismal and pretty awful. What a waste.
D+.
The last third was dismal and pretty awful. What a waste.
D+.
The four-hour version was probably the assembly cut (i.e. the "kitchen sink" version that editors usually start with).
A. To die, alone, in the rain.
Q. Why did Hemingway's chicken cross the road?
A. To die, alone, in the rain.
For the win.
The title of the first one was supposedly going to be "Enter the Knight". Sounded fantastic to me.
It's almost like a reverse Hobbit. The Hobbit, a short children's novel, was watered down into three less than exceptional movies (in fact, the third one was downright terrible), but these three films could easily be edited into a magnificent 3.5 hour epic. I'm yet to check out the fan edits, but I'm certain that a single movie would have been a box-office juggernaut on par with Jurassic World.
Obviously this hypothethical two movie scenario would be a different sequencing of events than what we saw. In the movie, the BVS fight immediately leads into Doomsday. In my scenario, BVS is the ending of the first movie, then the second movie builds up to Doomsday. So we get a good hour of Bats and Sups actually having scenes together where they're not trying to kill each other. Wouldn't that be fun?
It would. We've never actually seen Bruce and Clark being bros. I'd love that.